EqD Music

[the4thImpulse]

If you inquire about your submission, you'll get an answer telling you to contact me. I should talk to Seth about putting it right on the submit page to be easier to display. Denial letters take too much time and are a hassle and it hasn't worked in the past because you have to send each and every one rejected submission an email explaining why they were rejected, this way who wants to know will know (:

Why can't it just be, like ghelded_kultz said above, "Sorry, but your song does not meet Equestria Daily standards, if you seek for further information on what went wrong and on how you can improve please consult ____"

Just a copy paste note on every rejected email, if the song producer really wants to know why then the balls in their court. I've never understood why it can't be at least that.


(thanks for doing all this Spry, I've followed this thread since the start and its been very informative)

[CommandSpry]

I just think Seth has way too much rejection letters to send, it's a very time consuming process because we get at least 15 submissions a day and now we're gonna reject like 10 a day, so that's a lot! I do think he should make it known on the EqD submit page so that people don't have to wonder.

[Freewave]

I just wanted to say i got a chance to talk to Thorinair for an hour and personally apologize to him (again my blow up was completely uncalled for and something i regretted soon after) which i really needed to given my behavior. Best thing out of talking to him on skype is that i really got to see this issue from different perspectives, see how EQD listeners are dealing with their own organizational issues, get out of this US vs THEM mindset, and to find out that he's a really cool guy that was easy to talk to (as I'm sure many listeners are). Again apologies to thorinar, mlr, and spry for going negative in my last post and for taking this issue too personally and seriously. I forget how much time and effort that EQD listeners put into this process to get this community running well, and that they try to make it fair, and work well.

It just really hurts when eqd brings out MOTD as tracks that "weren't great but were still good and worth hearing" and then Spry months later turns around and says that 80% of them were thrown together and not worth hearing and won't make the grade now. I still don't completely agree with that sentiment although they know better first hand than anyone how dire the situation is and they have the power to try to stop an impending problem. I personally didn't see motd as an excuse to stop putting out good music, to try get better, and try to be innovative and neither did my peers that i talked most with. I just hope they keep that in consideration that they don't toss those out completely with the new process as many tracks were made with weeks and months of work between college courses, work schedules, and family lives. They were made with real efforts to the best of people's abilities. Please don't carve out all that work that was still made with thought, sweat, and care if it's good music.

I hope EQD find ways to make some improvements in how they handle submissions so it still feels fair and that there's a level of communication on how EQD's new process is supposed to work and they stick with whatever they choose and its a real improvement for everybody. EQDMusic is not going to work for new music highlights without a massive overhaul and even their staff know this which is saddening (as only Seth doesn't seem to get this and is overselling the thing to do just that). I hope that Seth and EQD listeners can get on the same page so we can see a new system that works as best as the situation will allow and not something that is flawed or disagreed on from the beginning again.

thanks

[the4thImpulse]

Switching topics a bit.

I know you've said you are wanting this new music site to replace the music of the day posts but have you asked what the general EQD followers think about it? I know freewave other people have said that from the musicians point of view the MotD has worked really good, you and the prelisteners have your issues with it (all stuff we've talked about already), but what about the listeners? the fans? do you know if they will like searching this site for music rather having it handed to them in the MotD posts?

You will still have the best songs in the spotlight posts like always of course but I haven't heard anything about the general people yet..

[CommandSpry]

The public that already visit MoTD will be against any kind of change; people like status quo. The majority of the public that would like it gone already stopped looking at EqD music posts which we can see from the low numbers of views on tunes; and it's not like the brony fandom is dying out because eqd still has more visitors than ever, and art posts and all other sorts of jazz get tons of reception.
Anyway, with this thing we've taken the musician interest to heart the most, despite what anyone of you would love to believe. This will definetely improve the quality of the brony music, and by that I mean musicians who would normally get on MoTD would get even better and become regular EqD customers (: (maybe even me but I suck asse)

[the4thImpulse]

The public that already visit MoTD will be against any kind of change; people like status quo. The majority of the public that would like it gone already stopped looking at EqD music posts which we can see from the low numbers of views on tunes; and it's not like the brony fandom is dying out because eqd still has more visitors than ever, and art posts and all other sorts of jazz get tons of reception.
Anyway, with this thing we've taken the musician interest to heart the most, despite what anyone of you would love to believe. This will definetely improve the quality of the brony music, and by that I mean musicians who would normally get on MoTD would get even better and become regular EqD customers (: (maybe even me but I suck asse)

It sounds there may have been to much music before (like you have been saying the entire thread) and limiting yourself to just a small, great, few could be the best course of action.

[ghelded_kultz]

The public that already visit MoTD will be against any kind of change; people like status quo. The majority of the public that would like it gone already stopped looking at EqD music posts which we can see from the low numbers of views on tunes; and it's not like the brony fandom is dying out because eqd still has more visitors than ever, and art posts and all other sorts of jazz get tons of reception.
Anyway, with this thing we've taken the musician interest to heart the most, despite what anyone of you would love to believe. This will definetely improve the quality of the brony music, and by that I mean musicians who would normally get on MoTD would get even better and become regular EqD customers (: (maybe even me but I suck asse)

Of course, would raising the bar actually increase any interest in music? The biggest complaint I've seen about brony music when comparing "now' versus "then" is that the big artist with all their production quality and everything just seem to be turning out the same old stuff, and it's sounds less inspired. Can you bring up actual statistics showing EQD visits, spotlight views, and motd views? If your hypothesis is correct there should be relatively more views on spotlight songs since the creation of motd from Equestria Daily. Anyway, from the listeners perspective it's very important to feature new artists because chances our that if it's an artist who was already established on EQD than the person is already aware of them, and if they are a fan of them they are probably already subscribed to them. Anyway, wouldn't a poll asking about how people feel about MotD be more decisive than looking at statistics for views?

-Soft D. String DeHooves

[CommandSpry]

Time and time and time again, numbers dropping started before MoTD was introduced, due to the number of songs posted. MoTD didn't increase song numbers much, but it only made a new category for them. We want to reduce the number of songs.
And no, popular brony musicians don't always have good production quality, and for christ's sake stop using the PRODIKSN KVALITI IS NOT AS IMPROTEN argument, we value every aspect of the song, including that. And, there is no prohibition for new artists to get featured, neither the old; we love great music from anybody. Problem is, popular brony musician can be really, really bad at times. We don't have control over Seth autoposting these songs at the moment but that's another issue.

[CommandSpry]

Forgot to address another point; across the board has the views and comments and ratings gone down on all music posts; we have narrowed this down to the amount of music flocking the website as the biggest indicator. Corralation isn't causation but it bloody hell looks like it considering things like this happen all the time and it's only natural. I can give you numbers myself:



and



A bit short of a third of the viewcount, pre-MoTD to post-MoTD (or flooding, if you will). And the fact that it's older doesn't mean a lot, it got at least 12k views in two months, and now it gets a few views per day, on the contrary, the other tune was up for the same time, and didn't even get a half. And I would argue the quality of the latter is slightly better, although both suck in my opinion since I don't fancy my music at all, but that's another thing, eh : D

[GumsOfGabby]

although both suck in my opinion since I don't fancy my music at all, but that's another thing, eh : D

But spry, you are one of the best musicians in fandom! No one can make orchestral quite like you.

[ghelded_kultz]

The point I was trying to get at was maybe it's not an increased volume which is causing interest in music to drop, but something else. Anyway, I think 3 songs a day isn't nearly enough. If views actually do shoot up if you cut down the output than you have a point, but otherwise I'm not convinced.

-Soft D. String DeHooves

[CommandSpry]

It won't be 3 per day, it would be 3 per post; there'll be two maybe three posts per day, but no more than let's say 8 songs per day.

And we've accessed the situation very carefully and it's either a general loss of interest in brony music which is also not out of the question but regarding how popular everything except music stayed, we were forced to conlcude on the other contributing factor: quantity.

And how can we know if it won't improve if we don't implement it..

[MYCUTIEMARKISAGUN]

MoTD which is 80% half assed stuff (and please argue that isn't true, we have to listen to this stuff), and 20% stuff that's been made with much effort

.....I'm sorry, who are you again dawg? Do you even lift?

Spry you been talkin this whole thread like you the 5 Star Pre-Listener General or summin. "Seth should REALLY put my skype on the official EQD info page so that musicians know WHO to contact hrmph, i don't know what's taking so long"

I was gonna say a whole bunch of other critical stuff but the Powers That Be have "accessed the situation" at Bohemian Grove and I don't want to get this thread locked so have a nice day.

I'll pray for EQDmusic, because that's all I can do apparently.

It just really hurts when eqd brings out MOTD as tracks that "weren't great but were still good and worth hearing" and then Spry months later turns around and says that 80% of them were thrown together and not worth hearing and won't make the grade now.

Yeah....now that was a dick comment.

we have rappers for Rap

Yeah......who? Koroshi and....? Because I know Cats & Mic don't do it no more.

[CommandSpry]

Quotes from me:
" I"m not a perfect musical god,"
" although both suck in my opinion since I don't fancy my music at all,"
Quote from you: "who are you, do you even lift?"
Who's being arrogant here?
Stop cherry picking what you want to hear. You have my skype; use it, get this sorted out. You can't help but listen there, right? I have been on MoTD a lot of times and I expect to be rejected a lot, I'm in the same position as you guys; I don't get autoposted as a "popular musician", I am nobody in the community, eqd prelisteners aren't illustrious magicians. That being said you can't expect us to be magicians in return. We do this when we can and we don't get paid; popularity doesn't factor in as to who is a prelistener or who's not.

"Seth should REALLY put my skype on the official EQD info page so that musicians know WHO to contact hrmph, i don't know what's taking so long"

Indeed, that's what people want yeah? I've been told time and time again that this is important by people of this chat and by offering my skype I'm opening myself to a load of complaints and confrontations I'm willing to have, so I don't see anything arrogant there. Others also offered up for it and I'll be sure to tell Seth time and time again to include all our contacts! And if you want to complain, complain about that to Seth, I've told him many a times. The people who get passed are already miles better at music than me, and a great load of people who get rejected too; I'm not gonna have a Gordon Ramsay conversation, but a level headed equal conversation with a fellow musician

And just press X in the top right corner if you want to call me a pretentious douchebag and not offer quotes since I haven't been at all hostile during all this conversation nor have I stated things I haven't elaborated on. I shown you what kind of quality we mostly get, I've shown you the number difference, everything I've been asked to do.
Rappers are Koroshi and Mic although Mic doesn't vote often, Meelz also hangs about and votes, I myself dislike all pony rap and I never vote on pony rap because of that; I just abstain from voting. Pipsqueak is also a prelistener but I really have no idea if these people are good or bad because brony rap for me is consistantly not good, I do appreciate old rap but I'm not into the new things, sorry! Who do you think is a good rapper?

"It just really hurts when eqd brings out MOTD as tracks that "weren't great but were still good and worth hearing" and then Spry months later turns around and says that 80% of them were thrown together and not worth hearing and won't make the grade now."

If that was the official statement, I am sorry, because the actual reason we've been told by Seth for MoTD is: "A lot of musicians are complaining about the raised quality standards", which is a bullshit reason from the get go. And I didn't say it months later, I've said it in the first Music of the Day post on MLR, when it first started, you should know that freewave, we've talked there, come on guys! Basically, MoTD is avoiding backlash and giving a youtried.jpg star. That was the idea! Not saying good music doesn't occasionally get on there, I haven't said "all motd sucks yeah fuckkkk", good songs from motd will make the cut when motd is not around anymore. But the 80% is very realistic, maybe 70% perhaps, but that's 7/10 songs, 3 good songs per motd doesn't happen everytime and often, still that's not a lot of songs and if they're good, they'll get posted, of course.

".....I'm sorry, who are you again dawg? Do you even lift?"

Am I the only person in this conversation who sees who here has a hostile attitude and who doesn't? Get a grip, guys

And say that critical stuff to me, on my skype, you've used it today why are you avoiding it, it's much quicker and it's much better

Anyway, we're talking about MoTD moving to EqDmusic as a standalone section with the same songs that would appear on EqD anyway, would fix actual EqD problems and make EqDmusic more fair; as bad as MoTD is on EqD because of the flooding, EqDmusic is bad on another level at the moment; motd there would be a nice solution, for now. And this is my idea, so I'd like to hear your guys' input on it, I'm trying to compromise here. It would be regulated, not community voted, basically the same deal as MoTD on eqd but on eqdmusic, and eqdmusic still gets massive pageviews even in a broken beta so when it gets fixed, and has it's own motd section, same MoTD exposion to the crowd, right? I still feel it will hurt quality but like I said, compromise is something I'm glad to reach at this point (note the at this point line )

[Magnitude Zero]

Really my only issue with EqDM at the moment is that songs remain in "Today's Top Six" for weeks at a time, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense. When I saw that I assumed it listed tracks that were submitted that day but unless these songs are repeatedly getting submitted that doesn't appear to be the case. Is it based solely on the amount of votes it received that day, with the top tracks remaining there because people come back and upvote them every single day? How does it work, and is there a plan in the works to make this more fair to the not-so-well-knowns?

Thanks for clearing these things up btw, Spry. I've been doing some hardcore lurking and you've been very informative and helpful, and certainly more patient than I'd be in your position

[PhillyPu]

Referring to my last post, I'd like to ask a question:

If EqDM were changed to the following:
1. Fix Daily Top and Weekly Top to only count votes within the day/week respectively.
2. Logs to keep track of which songs made the Daily Top and Weekly Top of EqDM and allow searches based on it (ie. I can search up what songs were weekly top for the second week of March)
3. Allow system to keep track of which songs were featured (on EqD AND EqDM), and disable such songs from being on Daily Top and Weekly Top.

Is there any complaints about removing MotD after this? If so, why? Hopefully, this thread is supposed to facilitate mutual discussion and create viable suggestions, rather than force open a rift between the community. You want to make EqD a better place for listeners and musicians, and we want to make sure this system works. It's inevitable that bugs are gonna occur, but that is why we are discussing, yes? Not mindless ad hominem attacks (not gonna point my fingers at anyone).

Again, if all the fixes above were implemented, are there any other complaints about removing MotD? I know there's a lot of pent up emotions and passion behind this, but let's not start to resemble American Congress in being a goddamn partisan system full of bureaucratic systems and deadlocks where no one yields to anyone else.

[Motivfs]

After much time myself reading this over and over again, I've become quite content with the idea of EqDM, however, I still wish they didn't release the beta at such a terrible state, it's the main reason people aren't very optimistic about the whole thing.

I'll be very patient however and wait to see how this unfolds.

@Philly, I actually would love if they did that in EqDM, it really depends if they'll put that effort into it though.

[Freewave]

I don't want to get all wound up like i did last week and i spent a bit of time with Thorinair this last week chatting with him about how the current system works. In some ways that's diffused the situation from the pov that I don't want to go directly blaming anyone for this mess but on the other hand EQD is saying one thing and doing another and really has amassed quite a lot of problems by doign so.

First off I still stick by the idea that motd doesn't hurt anyone. It seems people see that as 2 different viewpoints with one batch griping about how they weren't in the featured spot and didn't deserve LESS views. I guess if you're a well known brony and you get "thrown" in with the other 80% you might see that as a bad thing but i think that's a rather bad view. You should have enough subscriptions that you don't need the additional help that EQD even gives you. There's a huge difference between having thousands of subs, having hundreds, and being new and only in the double digits. For those who are still working their way up a motd spotlight still boosts up a video above the amount of subs you have by a LOT. Having 1,500 views in a week is not a slight , because the alternative is less views.

"It just really hurts when eqd brings out MOTD as tracks that "weren't great but were still good and worth hearing" and then Spry months later turns around and says that 80% of them were thrown together and not worth hearing and won't make the grade now."

If that was the official statement, I am sorry, because the actual reason we've been told by Seth for MoTD is: "A lot of musicians are complaining about the raised quality standards", which is a bullshit reason from the get go. And I didn't say it months later, I've said it in the first Music of the Day post on MLR, when it first started, you should know that freewave, we've talked there, come on guys! Basically, MoTD is avoiding backlash and giving a youtried.jpg star. That was the idea! Not saying good music doesn't occasionally get on there, I haven't said "all motd sucks yeah fuckkkk", good songs from motd will make the cut when motd is not around anymore. But the 80% is very realistic, maybe 70% perhaps, but that's 7/10 songs, 3 good songs per motd doesn't happen everytime and often, still that's not a lot of songs and if they're good, they'll get posted, of course.

Again how Seth announces things has an effect on how it's perceived and that's how it SHOULD be. When you (Seth/EQD) say motd is for "good tracks that missed the cut for a feature spoptlight but were worth hearing" we're going to take that as your position. When you say that EQD listeners were never behind this decision, have been fighting it for months, and have been rubber stamping 80% crap" it's hypocrisy. If you are going to listen to music and then approve ones that shouldn't make the cut that is your fault as a listener. The problem isn't the policy (it was a good one; good tracks are not bad ones) it's that listeners couldn't make motd a small spotlight, they used it like a landfill. If you don't want 20 tracks in motd then narrow it down to the 6 or 10 best from that. Or if the best of motd makes a less restrictive feature then so be it. But people put hard work into tracks and to look down on those efforts is a bad idea. If you're going to have listeners then you have the staff and the capability to have good quality standrads. Seth was right that he was getting complaints before motd because of the elitism of its policies, and carrving good music out of the new EQD will cause the SAME compliants. I'm not sure why you don't see that as a problem. It's not whining, it's concerns of fairness and equal opportunity.

Current issue is Seth is saying EQDMusic will take over for motd and it's clear it does not work, does not highlight new music (it picks the oldest submission ffs), has no search function, and is popularity rules again. It's bogus to say one thing will replace the other when it's not the function or design for it. Again you and the EQD staff have said you don't support this site (which is good because we're in agreement that it sucks currently) but you say that Seth believes this will work. There is a LOT that needs to be fixed before we can say its an adequite replacement and Seth is talking like it's gonna switch over in a few days. Is there no communication internally over there?

Speaking of communication :

Entries that don't make it won't always receive a refusal message

^ That is on the submission page of EQD, why would you guys post it if you don't follow that policy? You want to have people contact you directly when you could enforce your own policy quickly with a simple email. That way we can also tell if the track was even RECIEVED which according to Lavendar a few months ago a lot of the time the submission were LOST and she had to resubmit. Why you are fighting against email responses for track rcvd or rejection msgs don't understand as submission are also sent via email. Are replies that hard?

I didn't even know you were a prelistener Spry until you became their spokesman in this thread and one of the other issues with EQD is you have some listeners wanting to remain anonymous and no one wants to speak up and say "we are part of the EQD staff". I have a staff page on my website and when people join or drop out that changes. We can't reach out to you if you aren't on the submission page as a contact and we don't have any clue who EQD is or who it's spokepeople are.

I know this thread has been a little rough and gotten a little too personal here and there (sorry if i got wrapped up in that for a bit) but you can't have it both ways. Part of judging a track and rejecting it is feedback. If you are going to communicate, use email rejects or use skype, but have people listed who will be contacts for that and aren't going to duck out on that. Because if you want motd gone after Seth started it because of compliants then you will be getting those same complaints directly then. They won't disappear because of a change in policy. I agree that people should get better because of contructive criticism so if you can complete that step it will help those who aren't getting to the standards of a good (or great) track. People could be getting better out of this process. We have been requesting feedback responses for months if not over a year.

Lastly you have Seth putting up tracks for full on features that have been unanimously REJECTED by EQD listeners. How insulting is it that he takes badly mastered tracks from well known artists and puts them on the main page? You have no quality standard while this happens. This is the discrepency between a well known musician and one who is smaller. There is a size and popularity difference in this community through that that is toxic. You have proposed quality standards that are tougher for most of us to reach under a proposed new system and Seth is letting in vip's through the back door. No one is following a uniified standard. In fact that's the biggest eye opener with EQD is not they've been working well these last couple of months while motd was running, they've been splitting apart and revealing whole new levels of hypocrisy and lack of internal communication.

We appreciate the work that EQD listeners do for this community.
We appreciate you coming on here to let us know what is going on.
We appreciate your work in trying to getting a functionign music community.
We appreciate Seth for his website that works as the central website for the community....

...but please get a unified website that functions better than it does. You both keep acting like the problem is the musicians and the community causing the problem but a huge part of ALL these problems still stems from EQD saying one thing and doing another and not having a boss and a staff doing anything in a unified and organized fashion.

[PhillyPu]

FREEWAVE.

We are here to facilitate discussion and most importantly attempt to fix what is broken and implement better things. If we keep going back to ad hominem attacks ("Hypocrisy" on part of the EqD prelisteners), we will get nowhere. I get that you are heavily invested in MotD and brony music, but so are we.

The facts are as follows: We cannot control what Seth does (we have tried, numerous times, by many pre-listeners. Stop assuming that we are deliberately widening the "size and popularity difference" because we can't control it if Seth keeps doing this.) We have to work around him, as we've always been.

Second: MotD is going to change into EqDM. Seth single-handedly drove this effort forward, and to be honest, this is one of the few decisions that virtually all pre-listeners agree with Seth on. This is a fact. Instead of complaining about how the removal of MotD is going to be detrimental to the scene, start suggesting what can make EqDM to be as good, or hopefully, even better than MotD.

Freewave, you say there "A LOT" of problems that needs to be fixed. Please: TELL US WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE SO WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

I tried to suggest solutions that would alleviate the problems most people have about EqDM. I need all of your input, so please: read it, think about it, reply with your problem with it or suggest something better.

I'm even going to quote them over here again:

If EqDM were changed to the following:
1. Fix Daily Top and Weekly Top to only count votes within the day/week respectively.
2. Logs to keep track of which songs made the Daily Top and Weekly Top of EqDM and allow searches based on it (ie. I can search up what songs were weekly top for the second week of March)
3. Allow system to keep track of which songs were featured (on EqD AND EqDM), and disable such songs from being on Daily Top and Weekly Top.

Is there any complaints about removing MotD after this? If so, why? Hopefully, this thread is supposed to facilitate mutual discussion and create viable suggestions, rather than force open a rift between the community. You want to make EqD a better place for listeners and musicians, and we want to make sure this system works. It's inevitable that bugs are gonna occur, but that is why we are discussing, yes? Not mindless ad hominem attacks (not gonna point my fingers at anyone).

Again, we can complain about how we shouldn't turn down effort by musicians, about how the pre-listeners sample is skewed toward one or a few genres, about how we need to "level the playing field" and to be "fair" until the ponies finish breeding their 54th generation offspring. But if we keep talking we will end up with nothing and I don't think anyone wants that to happen. This is what I hate about politics. We need action, not empty talk. Please, please, please, if you need to talk, talk about what can be improved, not about changing the inevitable.

Thank you.

[Freewave]

Freewave, you say there "A LOT" of problems that needs to be fixed. Please: TELL US WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE SO WE CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Philly I hope you read what i put up there, because i feel you didn't. I hope it's not a case of tl;dr. I didn't write it all as an attack, I wrote it out so you guys can see what you're doing inconsitently and so you can fix all those places where either Seth or you guys are doing two completely different actions or policies. What you all decide to fix and implement depends on what you want both parties WANT to be the end agreed upon policy. Seth and the listeners need to sit down and decide what you want to do (for track rejects, about Seths auto-approval for well known musicians, list staff as contacts or keep anonymous, and about how high the quality bar is for features, and how EQDMusic should basically function).

I didn't spend a lot of time critiqueing EqDMusic because its not really functional. Genres pull up the oldest entry not the newest, old tracks litter the front page instead of new ones and popularity votes keep them there, and there's no search function. I don't know how this site is supposed to work because there isn't anything besides a front page to it and a very small amount of tracks on it. The submission process is easy but that's one of the few things going for it. If motd tracks can't show up on it, or they quickly roll off the front page into oblivion, or if tracks from months ago show up in there place, then it doesn't work as a replacement. If you have listeners that can pick good quality tracks and keep those on EQD's main website then keep that running for now until EQDMusic is up an running WELL.

[CommandSpry]

From the issues addressed above; yes, we do offer skype feedback, however I really want this to be more known! I am willing to take in all sorts of complaints; I wish that seth would list us on the site already. We do remind him constantly! "Simple email" is not as simple as it seems; we reject a lot of songs daily and Seth is the one who has to do the sending since he has the emails. Loads of work, and it's been proven too much in the past. On Skype, we just get contacted on an IM conversation, no individual sorting and sending.

MoTD as an entity doesn't hurt anyone since in an ideal world it would mean just extra views for more guys, but it hurts music on EqD because of the number of songs it introduces; it's either MoTD or spotlight at this point.

Seth autoposting is another issue; since Seth still keeps MoTD around he decides which tracks go to it because we stopped voting for MoTD athough we probably will vote for MoTD still until it's completely gone, and the stuff really popular musicians put out gets posted without our permission at all; we don't even prelisten it, which is another problem we are dealing with as we speak, but it's unrelated to the MoTD issue, we do want to prelisten every song and get an overall opinion on the track; the tracks we do get sent, we value not on popularity; SimGretina has appeared on MoTD a lot of times.

Also any opinions on this, guys? Seems like a reasonable idea:

Anyway, we're talking about MoTD moving to EqDmusic as a standalone section with the same songs that would appear on EqD anyway, would fix actual EqD problems and make EqDmusic more fair; as bad as MoTD is on EqD because of the flooding, EqDmusic is bad on another level at the moment; motd there would be a nice solution, for now. And this is my idea, so I'd like to hear your guys' input on it, I'm trying to compromise here. It would be regulated, not community voted, basically the same deal as MoTD on eqd but on eqdmusic, and eqdmusic still gets massive pageviews even in a broken beta so when it gets fixed, and has it's own motd section, same MoTD exposion to the crowd, right? I still feel it will hurt quality but like I said, compromise is something I'm glad to reach at this point (note the at this point line )

[Freewave]

Yeah if tracks that can't make the larger EQD spotlight but can still have a section on EQDMusic that would be a fair compromise. If they showed up there for that day it's important that there is space so they not immediately disappear and you COULD automatically sort that batch by vote for the day if you wanted (most fav of those at the top like a Toast Beard results page). That would really give people incentive to see what they liked the most out a days worth of music. A dated archive so you can check the tracks on the days before (if you weren't on the site) would be great too (or the top 10). If it's possible to integrate the current setup with the motd one. If you can import that and other features into that site and have it function better that would be wonderful.

Seth sounds like a FUN guy to work with. I hope if you guys get the communication issue worked out and can have a way to let people know to find out about rejects and ways to improve. Whether that's email or skype so be it.

[Applejinx]

Ya know—publicizing celebrity doings is kinda the way of the world. Maybe it's not the way of Equestria, but then what has Fancy Pants been doing lately, hm? I'm not troubled by Seth celebrit-izing a small group of favorites. THIS IS THE WAY OF THE WORLD, deal with it or make your own EqD and if you do I daresay you will do the same thing with your own pet artists/musicians! The Editor has powers, that's why he's The Editor. That's what being an Editor/CEO/etc IS.

That said…

I had fun putting my tracks up on EqDMusic even though some of 'em got nuked quickly by some pony or other. I'm in an unusual position in that I don't have to give a crap how that stuff goes because my ponycelebrity is as a writer, not as a musician, but I'm still super interested in knowing how my stuff is doing, and which things are going over with Kids These Days.

For that reason I'd like to be able to look up the stuff I submitted- like 'Applejinx' and be able to get the tracks and see how their upthumbs/downthumbs are doing. I realize it's a game and gameable, I'm just curious. Charts would be good too, if it's gonna be a game, I have a lot of frustrating fun playing with those. It may end up having no relation to quality but if there's a big group of casual listeners that outnumber the gaming musicians manipulating the charts, it doesn't matter so much.

I love how simple it is to put stuff on there, I'd like to see more you can DO with it once you're there.

[Freewave]

For that reason I'd like to be able to look up the stuff I submitted- like 'Applejinx' and be able to get the tracks and see how their upthumbs/downthumbs are doing.

I love how simple it is to put stuff on there, I'd like to see more you can DO with it once you're there.

Agree with all of this

[Freewave]

Any updates about how progress is going with the new site?