Bronyquest Fundraiser: BALLOON PARTY

[Senjan]

Alrighty then! I'll keep on rollin' and get started a.s.a.ap then

[bmo13]

When's the next wave of teasers? I'm almost done with my demo and I wanna get it done on time.

[Lethaargic]

When's the next wave of teasers?

I'm just going to release my wip now since I have no idea.
the level mixing sucks so far, i'm bad at mixdowns

Got a good idea of how I'm going to make this "clever" and say something about the community (regardless of how rarely I'm on here, sorry) I hope people are taking what circuitfry said to heart. It's hard to tell with a WIP you know? It's a great Idea and I want to see how other people (or ponies) show it.

have some Dark psytrance

http://soundcloud.com/spacepsyakadoublevision/balloon-party-wip-cyber-kidz

[bmo13]

When's the next wave of teasers?

I'm just going to release my wip now since I have no idea.
the level mixing sucks so far, i'm bad at mixdowns

Got a good idea of how I'm going to make this "clever" and say something about the community (regardless of how rarely I'm on here, sorry) I hope people are taking what circuitfry said to heart. It's hard to tell with a WIP you know? It's a great Idea and I want to see how other people (or ponies) show it.

have some Dark psytrance

http://soundcloud.com/spacepsyakadoublevision/balloon-party-wip-cyber-kidz

THIS IS DOPE AS ALL HELL! Best psytrance I've heard in a while. Ill get a teaser up myself as soon as I get it on my soundcloud!

[Decmaster IX]

Here's my teaser everypony! (The suggestions are being stupid but whatever…)

[pokeysmokes]

i have this remix of a futret song that i put up recently.....do you think i could do something in this style and get it onto balloon party in time?



http://soundcloud.com/whitzzzzzzz/futrets-cupcakes-pokey-smokes

-pokey

[Sleufoot2010]

Okay, I have another teaser thingy uploaded to my channel.

I also have the entire song here (it's still WIP, even though it sounds like it's done. I will edit the song some more later):
http://k004.kiwi6.com/hotlink/5t0q0rzy0 ... artyv4.mp3

I POSTED IN MLR, I'M SO BADASS!
Yeah... Excuse me, I'm tired and I want to be noticed when I release this song.

[Decmaster IX]

Hey, if anypony is reading this that runs the Facebook page:

I think that some of the lesser known artists need some recognition here. I know that the reason that people are looking forward to this is because of the big artists, but I'm seeing a lot of teasers here that haven't been put up on the Facebook page. I know that there isn't room for all the teasers, and I have no intention of telling ANYPONY how to run things, but I feel like a lot of artists joined this project to get known by producing some awesome music, and a lot are missing the recognition they deserve. Everypony put in a lot of effort into their tracks, and a lot of them aren't getting heard by the general masses of our fans. Which, I personally believe, is against the message of this program. This is about going all out and having a good time, while a lot of us musicians are spending too much time in the background. Opening acts for the main event, if you will.

I mean, some of these teasers have 9 views. 9 VIEWS. Don't you think that these are the people who need the most recognition, not the other artist who people will find just because they are themselves and are already well known?

I just believe that some of us were using this to get known, because, let's face it, it's rather hard this far into the game, and we're watching as our dreams and ambitions aren't getting recognized. There are a lot of good musicians that are being overshadowed by the big names.

I'm not sure if I speak for other artists or not, but I'm sure some of you must have the same feelings that I feel, right? No one likes to be hidden. Everyone deserves recognition.

Thank you for your time, and I hope I don't offend anyone.

[PonE-Sharp]

Hey, if anypony is reading this that runs the Facebook page:

I think that some of the lesser known artists need some recognition here. I know that the reason that people are looking forward to this is because of the big artists, but I'm seeing a lot of teasers here that haven't been put up on the Facebook page. I know that there isn't room for all the teasers, and I have no intention of telling ANYPONY how to run things, but I feel like a lot of artists joined this project to get known by producing some awesome music, and a lot are missing the recognition they deserve. Everypony put in a lot of effort into their tracks, and a lot of them aren't getting heard by the general masses of our fans. Which, I personally believe, is against the message of this program. This is about going all out and having a good time, while a lot of us musicians are spending too much time in the background. Opening acts for the main event, if you will.

I mean, some of these teasers have 9 views. 9 VIEWS. Don't you think that these are the people who need the most recognition, not the other artist who people will find just because they are themselves and are already well known?

I just believe that some of us were using this to get known, because, let's face it, it's rather hard this far into the game, and we're watching as our dreams and ambitions aren't getting recognized. There are a lot of good musicians that are being overshadowed by the big names.

I'm not sure if I speak for other artists or not, but I'm sure some of you must have the same feelings that I feel, right? No one likes to be hidden. Everyone deserves recognition.

Thank you for your time, and I hope I don't offend anyone.

I agree with this in so many ways. I don't know where to draw the line for 'big name', but I'm assuming I'm not one of them, and yes, it does feel like the smaller people are getting a tad overlooked.

[Anorax]

Hey, if anypony is reading this that runs the Facebook page:

I think that some of the lesser known artists need some recognition here. I know that the reason that people are looking forward to this is because of the big artists, but I'm seeing a lot of teasers here that haven't been put up on the Facebook page. I know that there isn't room for all the teasers, and I have no intention of telling ANYPONY how to run things, but I feel like a lot of artists joined this project to get known by producing some awesome music, and a lot are missing the recognition they deserve. Everypony put in a lot of effort into their tracks, and a lot of them aren't getting heard by the general masses of our fans. Which, I personally believe, is against the message of this program. This is about going all out and having a good time, while a lot of us musicians are spending too much time in the background. Opening acts for the main event, if you will.

I mean, some of these teasers have 9 views. 9 VIEWS. Don't you think that these are the people who need the most recognition, not the other artist who people will find just because they are themselves and are already well known?

I just believe that some of us were using this to get known, because, let's face it, it's rather hard this far into the game, and we're watching as our dreams and ambitions aren't getting recognized. There are a lot of good musicians that are being overshadowed by the big names.

I'm not sure if I speak for other artists or not, but I'm sure some of you must have the same feelings that I feel, right? No one likes to be hidden. Everyone deserves recognition.

Thank you for your time, and I hope I don't offend anyone.

I agree with this in so many ways. I don't know where to draw the line for 'big name', but I'm assuming I'm not one of them, and yes, it does feel like the smaller people are getting a tad overlooked.

I agree wholly with this, but I think that Aussie Asher needs to be told about these previews, or else they probably won't show up. Remember, there's not a big preview reveal soon, but I'm sure one or two will be previewed every week or so. I'd contact Aussie first.

[the4thImpulse]

Everyone deserves recognition

I completely agree, everyone should have their teaser posted on the balloon party page. I dont have one and likely wont create one (I haven't even started on the song yet). I understand if they dont want to show all the teasers soley because they dont want the whole album teased and want to keep some surprises on it. Not showing them because the artist is not well known in the community is wrong (and I dont know if this what they're doing but its how it appears to me).

[theMusicalCake]

also about the teasers, are they only putting up ones that're on youtube?

[Habanc]

So... Like, I like hard electronic music, but I absolutely despise making it. No offense to those who do, quite the opposite, because I have alot of respect for them. I just find it entirely frustrating because "my hand could not fancy the picture of my mind" (Jane Eyre). Basically, I can never quite get that "punch" that most hard songs have, then end up getting mad and move the .flp file to my "LolwutdidIjustmake" folder (Hint: Anything close to dubstep resides there ;D)

So, wat do? Is spending hours of work on a genre/style that is a complete mystery to me a good idea? Or maybe I'm missing the point?

[the4thImpulse]

So... Like, I like hard electronic music, but I absolutely despise making it. No offense to those who do, quite the opposite, because I have alot of respect for them. I just find it entirely frustrating because "my hand could not fancy the picture of my mind" (Jane Eyre). Basically, I can never quite get that "punch" that most hard songs have, then end up getting mad and move the .flp file to my "LolwutdidIjustmake" folder (Hint: Anything close to dubstep resides there ;D)

So, wat do? Is spending hours of work on a genre/style that is a complete mystery to me a good idea? Or maybe I'm missing the point?

Honestly this album wasn't made so the people who have never made music before can have an album release in their firts few months of producing. No one I know has vener been good in their own eyes when the first started. My best advice is stop worrying about finishing something or the album and instead learning all you can about production and practicing it it like one would a guitar or piano. If you 'despise' making music so much then I have to ask why do you keep tring? If you need help there are a lot of great people on the forums all who would love to help but you would need to be more specific on the problem your facing.

Spening hours of work on someting you dont know well when your first starting is not a good idea, stick to what you know and get the foundations down then keep building up.

[PonE-Sharp]

So... Like, I like hard electronic music, but I absolutely despise making it. No offense to those who do, quite the opposite, because I have alot of respect for them. I just find it entirely frustrating because "my hand could not fancy the picture of my mind" (Jane Eyre). Basically, I can never quite get that "punch" that most hard songs have, then end up getting mad and move the .flp file to my "LolwutdidIjustmake" folder (Hint: Anything close to dubstep resides there ;D)

So, wat do? Is spending hours of work on a genre/style that is a complete mystery to me a good idea? Or maybe I'm missing the point?

Well, first let me say it's best NOT to start with Dubstep. Dubstep is actually a very complex genre to make, despite what the haters say. For starters, hardstyle/jumpstyle and maybe even gabber may be your best avenue for this album if your going for electronic. Sure, they're a little over done, but just because everyone has made a peanut butter and jelly sandwich doesn't mean they all made it the exact same way.

Now, for hardstyle and jumpstyle type songs (and most electronic in general), it's usually a good idea to make the basic drumline first. If your having trouble getting that punch in, try putting a bass boost or maybe overdrive effect on your kick, or just turn up the volume. You have to be careful with this, though, because while you want the kick to stand out, you don't want it to drown out other tracks. As for the bassline, the simpler the better. It's not something that should go up and down and do loopdeloops, that's stuff for the leads. The bass is just there to set the general sound and support the other tracks. Now for leads and pads, those are what you probably want to be firing the creative shotgun at. Trial and error, see what works and what doesn't.

I also mentioned gabber, but, unfortunately, I know little about it, except that it is very VERY heavy, but rather simple. Take these songs for example:



But um... whatever you want to do is fine.

[Mindsweeper]

I would argue that "hard" music in general is very difficult for a newbie, whether or not it's musically simple, because it relies on being heavy, and heaviness is often acheived through technical funkery rather than musical funkery.

Also, don't just turn stuff up, learn to use that compressor.

[Navron]

I would argue that "hard" music in general is very difficult for a newbie, whether or not it's musically simple, because it relies on being heavy, and heaviness is often acheived through technical funkery rather than musical funkery.

Also, don't just turn stuff up, learn to use that compressor.

Per your definition, this is hard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM0gB8FuCAw

^^^It's also (IMO), ear rape noise that's completely devoid of any rhythm, melody, or structure of any kind. However, it does have what you say achieves heaviness, which is extreme "technical funkery." By that standard, the song is indeed quite heavy.

If there was a track like that on BP, about 99% of the people who get the album are not going to just skip that song, but entirely delete it from the digital album. I know I wouldn't want to be listening to some cool tunes to suddenly get slammed by something like that, so why even risk it being in the playlist?

Why is making hard music...hard?

Well, in the case of BP, I think what's making it so darn difficult for people to come up with something hard, is the fact that musicians are "trying to make something hard." Aka, you're not writing music that comes from your creativity, but instead are writing music with a specific organization, structure, and limitation in mind.

Might want to take into account that organizational skills, limitations, and other forms of organized structure are primarily left hemisphere brain functions, whereas your right hemisphere is where the creativity lies.

So, in other words, you're writing music to fit specific rules, and thus you are using the wrong side of your brain to come up with something creative.

Let your creativity do the work for you. One of my most mellow songs ever, resulted from firing up my DAW in preparation to make a hard BP track. The only difference is when I realized it wasn't going to be hard, I didn't just pack it away for who knows how long, but instead kept working on it, and let the song create itself.

On the other hand, I'm working on a song that was intended to be mellow and ambient, and actually ended up more intense than I planned. So I may finally have a BP submission sometime soon.

Stop writing for others, and write for yourself. The hardness will come.

[Thirteen]

Well all this speak of hard makes me wanna post my trailer I just got up. Which is hopefully hard enough:

Honestly, I gave this song my all. 110%. Really I did.

And besides, I have a Metapod. If my track really isn't HARD enough, I'll just have him use HARDEN! It's the perfect plan I say!

[thattechnique]

Cool. Ya'll don't know what hard is, man. I;m doin this.

[PonE-Sharp]

Cool. Ya'll don't know what hard is, man. I;m doin this.

Hard? You're out of your fucking league, son!

[Thirteen]

Is this now the Metapod thread? I'm all in favor of this being the Metapod thread.


THIS HARD THIS HARD THIS HARD

THIS HARD THIS HARD THIS HARD THIS HARD...

[Anorax]

Well all this speak of hard makes me wanna post my trailer I just got up. Which is hopefully hard enough:

Honestly, I gave this song my all. 110%. Really I did.

And besides, I have a Metapod. If my track really isn't HARD enough, I'll just have him use HARDEN! It's the perfect plan I say!

Ok, I commented on the video, but I'll repeat it here: the kick needs more presence. You might want to apply a compressor to the kick, and maybe the snare as well, although it could do without. You might want to use an EQ as well on that kick.

Overall, I'm liking this. Needs some more work, but it has potential. (keep it up!)

[Habanc]

So... Like, I like hard electronic music, but I absolutely despise making it. No offense to those who do, quite the opposite, because I have alot of respect for them. I just find it entirely frustrating because "my hand could not fancy the picture of my mind" (Jane Eyre). Basically, I can never quite get that "punch" that most hard songs have, then end up getting mad and move the .flp file to my "LolwutdidIjustmake" folder (Hint: Anything close to dubstep resides there ;D)

So, wat do? Is spending hours of work on a genre/style that is a complete mystery to me a good idea? Or maybe I'm missing the point?

Honestly this album wasn't made so the people who have never made music before can have an album release in their firts few months of producing. No one I know has vener been good in their own eyes when the first started. My best advice is stop worrying about finishing something or the album and instead learning all you can about production and practicing it it like one would a guitar or piano. If you 'despise' making music so much then I have to ask why do you keep tring? If you need help there are a lot of great people on the forums all who would love to help but you would need to be more specific on the problem your facing.

Spening hours of work on someting you dont know well when your first starting is not a good idea, stick to what you know and get the foundations down then keep building up.

I understand what you're saying, and yeah, it's true. Additionally, I have indeed found quite alot of help around here on the forums.

However,
"If you 'despise' making music so much then I have to ask why do you keep tring?"

Ouch...

I'm going to have to say you have me wrong on that. Maybe you got mixed up, but I meant solely the hard variations of music. I'll accept part of the blame because I did word it too strongly, "extremely frustrating" would be a better term.

Whatever it may be, either Dub/Drumstep, the harder variations of Electro House, Hardstyle, and Garbage Electro, all of them face a similar problem that's been heckling me ever since I started late last year. It sound, err, flat. And by flat, I mean hollow, lacking muster, and above all, not really that "hard".

I've assumed it's probably something to do with "filling in" the song and EQing properly which will undoubtedly come with experience, but nevertheless it's frustrating.

To PonE Sharp: Yeah, I've quickly come to the point where crossing out dubstep for any foreseeable future project is reality. What once was "a good wobble bass or two with a powerful snare" has quickly evolved into "seven wobble basses, two stabs and a bunch of random sounds all conformed to match the kicks and snares".

I've tried hardstyle, but it really isn't my thing. But hey, some people love it, and who am I to tell them what to like?

It's at a point where I either go back to the softer crap I do now or experiment for a bit with garbage/hard electro, where the hardest point is actually creating the bass (although you could make an argument that it is technically not a bass, but actually a synth that has been modulated and completely distorted to hell). From there, the bass is so massive and crazy that you only need maybe a kick, snare and maybe a pluck melody to go along with it. Add in alot of slides, occasionally cutoff LFO wobbles and sidechaining and you can create something nice (Or, utterly barbaric, according to who you ask). Or maybe I'm just flat out wrong. I don't know, not confident enough to really make my own calls.

But, I mean, I see this as a challenge. You know, maybe I won't be able to do Balloon Party, and I can accept that. I'll admit I'm relatively new, since I've only been doing this for a little under half a year now. But even still, the goal remains. To push yourself to do more than you have before, that is what I'm looking to get out of this. No great artist ever got better by drawing stick figures all day, no competitive runner was ever content with running a nine-minute mile. Honestly, say I made a first, good hard song on June 1st, 2013, I could be happy as long as I knew I pushed myself.

The question I asked in my previous post was simply asking whether assigning a June 1st, 2012 deadline for an area I am relatively new to, was a good idea or not. The general feeling I'm getting is "no", but that's okay. My question had been answered in just a round-about, analysis-required sort of way.

Navybrony is right, too. It is indeed very constricting and almost straining. There had been points where I wanted to take what I had already done, thrown out the harder elements and turn it into something more lighter and uplifting. I guess you just gotta have to get in the right mood for it.

[PonE-Sharp]

Is this now the Metapod thread? I'm all in favor of this being the Metapod thread.


THIS HARD THIS HARD THIS HARD

THIS HARD THIS HARD THIS HARD THIS HARD...

Only death can escape this level of hardness! You are hopelessly outmatched!

[the4thImpulse]

Lots of text here

You are right I did misunderstand what you were saying previously, I apologize ("ouch" I didn't mean for it to hurt in any way).

I think along the lines of what Navybrony said is great advice, keep making songs until the deadline, as many songs as possible. If any of those songs are hard (which they may be by then) the sumbit it rather then forcing yourself to do something you find frustrating currently. I have am where you are right now; I cannot make anything hard, electro, dubstep I suck at all that, although I just realeased my first dubstep track and its a miracle in my eyes that I even finished it. So now I just stick to what I know and love the progessive stuff and maybe soon I will have something thats hard enough for balloon party (I hope I do).

I watched a video about another producer talking about workflow when you making music and it may help you. He said give yourself one complete day to write a song, from the moment you get up to when you go to bed you have to complete or almost complete an entire song otherwis you scrap it and start again tommorow. This will likely be difficult to put in that much time into music in day but do what you can, he said if the song isn't coming together after 20 hours of work then strart over on something new.

It does help when you have a goal or deadline to finish something even if it seems near impossible to complete. Keep working at it, I hate that I sounded like a jerk earlier and I do hope you can get something together in the coming months.