legion2190 wrote:Basically, I'm just worried that this kind of talk is going to turn things into a 'how much pony can I force into this song?' contest, which frankly, is a lot worse than where we currently are.
legion2190 wrote:I don't want to have to be restrained by specificity (is that even a word?) or force samples into music that's supposed to be mellow and relaxing; it just wouldn't fit, and that's not how I create ties to the show.
legion2190 wrote:I see where you're going with this and agree, but I have a problem with the whole Pony-in-name-only thing. Saying that the only way to link music to the show is through samples or lyrics (that's the vibe I'm getting from your post, at least) is seriously limiting.
Basically, I'm just worried that this kind of talk is going to turn things into a 'how much pony can I force into this song?' contest, which frankly, is a lot worse than where we currently are.
DJ Pon-3 wrote:The second is Toast Beard which is a weekly contest/ competition / gathering. While the logistics of putting together an episode response or a meeting a recommended theme for a single week is likely too hard for new musicians its still one of the best ways in terms of seeing how many ways to make music about the show. Even if you can't put together a coherent track in a week to enter a track for Toast Beard it's still worth making music that's an episode response to a 3 week old episode OR seeing how fun even a Saturday simulcast can be when everyone turns in on IIRC together. Toast Beard seems to be waning in use even when there'e more new brony musicians who could be taking part with it and benefiting from getting their tracks heard, getting positive feedback, and feeling a part of something. At worst its just a good model on how to make good music about MLP in creative and in a variety of ways.
the4thImpulse wrote:legion2190 wrote:I see where you're going with this and agree, but I have a problem with the whole Pony-in-name-only thing. Saying that the only way to link music to the show is through samples or lyrics (that's the vibe I'm getting from your post, at least) is seriously limiting.
Basically, I'm just worried that this kind of talk is going to turn things into a 'how much pony can I force into this song?' contest, which frankly, is a lot worse than where we currently are.
I dont really get that vibe too much, that a pony needs pony samples, I think he means we have to be more carefull with what we call a truely <pony> track. If you were to create an insturmental track, show it to a brony without giving them a discription, picture, or track name and have them understand its a pony track. Thats why we have those tools so we can tell people what inspired us and what the track is about. If you create an insturmental track, state what inspired you and the liteners understand and feel those same feelings as they listen then I would say its a true pony track. Otherwise it may be pony inspired but if people don't get that same feeling (pony related feeling) then its not a true pony track.
DJ Pon-3 wrote:This is basically what I'm trying to convey. I'm not for absolutes or saying people have to or should sample (although the tools are all there if you weren't aware) but I think people need to have a concept or something to convey to show something is pony. If it's not simple, explain it and feel that you have the freedom to take these characters out of the normal environment too (Toast Bear d this week is ponies in space!). But it's central to what defines our music, it should be discussed on MLR, and it's a huge part of the technique in making our music. Anyone who thinks that just slapping a track together of melodies and wubs throwing a pony name and image on there is all it takes isn't trying that hard or thinking it out yet. People can fake it with samples just as easily and it doesn't help it when people do that.
Lavender_Harmony wrote:Not all music has a clear influence, but can rather be expressed in more subtle ways. My Balloon Party teaser, Arrivederci, is inspired by the idea of Vinyl acquiring a recording of Octavia performing within an orchestra; The piece being performed having been inspired by the original reign of Discord, and remixing it.
legion2190 wrote:DJ Pon-3 wrote:Lavender_Harmony wrote:Not all music has a clear influence, but can rather be expressed in more subtle ways. My Balloon Party teaser, Arrivederci, is inspired by the idea of Vinyl acquiring a recording of Octavia performing within an orchestra; The piece being performed having been inspired by the original reign of Discord, and remixing it.
Dang, and I thought this song was cool already. I guess it just got... *puts on shades* 20% cooler.
... I wasn't known for my originality either.
The4thImpulse wrote:If you create an insturmental track, state what inspired you and the liteners understand and feel those same feelings as they listen then I would say its a true pony track
LunchBagMusic wrote:
To prove your song is pony, don't be afraid to chuck in a description or a guide. Particularly with stuff that's a little challenging (see: Dissonance).
NavyBrony wrote:Let's not also forget that one of the reasons the prelisteners were established, was actually less instrumental musicians trying to take advantage of popularity, but more because people were throwing samples on copyrighted songs (like Skrillex), and getting it featured.
Makkon wrote:But please don't forget that this is a music community more than it's a brony community. Ponies brought you here, but we hope that you stay for the music.
NavyBrony wrote:Let's not also forget that one of the reasons the prelisteners were established, was actually less instrumental musicians trying to take advantage of popularity, but more because people were throwing samples on copyrighted songs (like Skrillex), and getting it featured.
Makkon wrote:"Being Pony" can actually become a handicap for an artist if they feel that in order to get any attention they have to produce pony music. Lets be honest, fluttershy dubstep will never be fluttershy, no matter how many fluttershy samples you put in there. I got a song featured on EQD that I didn't submit that wasn't pony related at all. While people liked it, I felt that it didn't belong there. But I never pretended that it was a pony song, because it was never meant to be pony related.
Makkon wrote:My invitation to everyone out there is to write what you want. Write music for the sake of music. Write it because you love it.
If it's pony related, make it clear in concept and feeling. If it's not pony, DON'T PRETEND THAT IT IS. If you hope to get a feature on EQD, then make it clear that it's pony related (and that involves much more than samples as mentioned earlier).But please don't forget that this is a music community more than it's a brony community. Ponies brought you here, but we hope that you stay for the music.
SoaringFlight wrote:I agree with Makkon completely. Ponies did bring me here, and that's how i started doing things in music. The issue im facing though is, that it is a bit hard to make something sound pony (trance for example) without obvious use of samples or lyrics.
I would still rather hear a good quality well done instrumental track (especially if artist has done a good job with describing the track in description and connected that with title and video - in short if he put effort into everything) than a track that uses samples just because it can on EQD. Just my 2 cents.
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