Just got shafted by EQD (EDIT)

[Pickslide1992]

I guess I won't have a chance with them ever again, since instrumentals can be interpreted either way and celebronies who don't even do anything pony related get their own freaking post.

I remember (back when I used to go to EqD) that every song they got was featured. Only one in a hundred songs was not and its because it was an early WIP.

Maybe we have too many bronies making music?

This, so I understand some songs have to be given the thumbs down nowadays, but it still irks me that nonpony stuff is featured by well known guys while lesser known musicians who do something clearly inspired by MLP are given the boot, possibly making them feel unwanted. I'm all for fresh blood, so that kind of burns me up when that happens.

[Navron]

Here's an interesting concept.

Based on the prelistener criteria stated before, do you think NotACleverPony's "For the New Lunar Republic," song would be featured, or rejected, if he was an unknown brony musician today?

Judging from the fact it sounds, "less pony," than Vedrim's sound, I'm almost 100% certain he would be rejected.

In other words, one of the pioneers of brony music, and an influence to the entire brony musician community, would likely have his song rejected by the standards today, because it wouldn't sound, "pony enough."

I'd really like to hear what, "pony-sounding," really is. If Vedrim's sound isn't pony sounding (upbeat, slight Ingram influence, happy), I honestly have no idea what is.

- Wooden Toaster's Rainbow Factory: Dark Industrial
- NACP's For the New Lunar Republic: Industrial
- Dr. Dissonance's For the Solar Empire: Orchestral
- Tsyolin's Ovation of the Night: Dark Orchestral

Just a few examples that don't adhere to this elusive, "pony-sound," that the prelisteners apparently use to judge whether or not a song is worthy to be featured, leading me to believe that this so called, "pony-sound," doesn't have any set criteria for it, and is instead simply a term used by the prelisteners to judge music by whether or not it fits their own taste in music (aka, this genre doesn't sound like the pony music I enjoy, therefore it's not pony-enough.)

And in case you're wondering, yes, I am angry at this. Prelisteners should be able to appreciate every type of genre, and be able to judge each genre in an analytical way, determining how much effort was put into it, what the inspiration behind the song is, and determine its quality by comparing it to other music IN THAT GENRE.

In the case of Vedrim's song, it's clean, it's well mixed, well mastered, and compared to other songs in that genre, stacks up very well. He is also established in the MLR community, and knows the show, which matched with his own description that he was influenced by the show, cements the fact he wrote something pony related, and is not simply trying to take advantage of the fandom.

This is all my personal critique, as a dark-industrial musician. I don't listen to, nor create songs like Vedrim's, but I can still analyze the quality of the submission, and based on the above criteria, I would recommend my personal approval.

That's what the job of being a prelistener is. You analyze the damn song, determine the quality of the mixing and mastering, and determine whether or not it's pony related by reading the description and/or determining if the musician is a brony (such as being an active MLR member). You then make your own vote whether or not to approve the song, based on that analysis.

Being a prelistener does not mean you approve or disapprove songs based on, "how pony," they sound to you. That's 100% biased bullshit, and is based off your own personal taste of what, "pony sounding," something is.

If you don't judge songs from an analytical perspective, and instead judge songs by your own personal taste, you have no business being a prelistener. End of story.

I'm pretty disappointed that it appears I will be unable to contribute to a fandom for a show I truly love. To make an important clarification, it was the fandom and its community I was hoping to be a part of through music, something which sadly seems unrealistic at this point.
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I am sorry but this is the biggest bullshit I have heard in days (I am sorry for swearing but I sometimes it is nessecairly to reflect what I am feeling). just because your song doesnt get on eqd doesnt mean you cannot contribute to the fandom. just because you made a song already means you are contributing to the fandom. eqd isnt the fandom (and anyone who believes otherwise should get themselfs checked).

If somebody makes a song, and the fandom doesn't take notice, saying they've contributed to the fandom is like a chef making free samples that nobody takes and saying he fed people.

Obviously EqD shouldn't be the only outlet for brony musicians, but it sadly is, which is one of the reasons we keep having these similar discussions and plans to move onto other websites.

If a musician has subscribers already, then it isn't as big of a deal. If a musician has no subscribers, they WILL go completely unnoticed by the fandom, save by chance somebody discovers their song, and even then, they likely won't see much feedback, until they have that big break (which is, getting a feature on EqD). Making songs for a group of people that don't even notice is the worst feeling, and is akin to the feeling of making a handcrafted gift for somebody, only to find it in their trash the next day.

I'd like to say there are other outlets for brony musicians to get exposure in the brony community, but as it stands right now, EqD is the only way a new or lesser known musician will ever break out of that lesser known status.

Sucks that it's like that, and as said earlier, we're working on different outlets, but that's the way things are right now, and you're only a fool if you believe otherwise.

[Icky]

NavyBrony I have no idea why you think we vote on songs based on personal taste, which is absolutely not the case.

The reason it got rejected is because it wasn't pony enough. If he had posted a picture of harvest moon or animal crossing or really any other lighthearted show, movie, game, book, etc it wouldn't be pony related anymore.

So just because it was made by a brony, and is well made means it should be posted on EqD? Look I'm not questioning his claims he was influenced by the show, but really all we have is his word for it.

- Wooden Toaster's Rainbow Factory: Dark Industrial
- NACP's For the New Lunar Republic: Industrial
- Dr. Dissonance's For the Solar Empire: Orchestral
- Tsyolin's Ovation of the Night: Dark Orchestral

All of these songs have a clear theme, and the song fits that theme. Vedrim's song doesn't have any MLP related theme at all.

This is the reason the pre-listeners rejected it. Not because we didn't like it (I freaking loved it) but because we can't really tell it's MLP related other than the description and image on his youtube video.

Although I would have wanted to vote yes, I agree with the decision the other pre-listeners made (I wasn't there for this particular pre-listen session)
If we aren't strict on this, and we accept songs just because we like them (and they are "sort of MLP related in a way") we start judging things based on personal opinion. This is the thing you are accusing us of doing, while in fact you couldn't be more wrong.

I wouldn't want this song I made to be posted on EqD either. Even though it's pretty good, made by a brony and sort of pony related (I-Pie is invading Equestria)

Judging a song based on how "good" it is and the musician being a brony is 100% biased bullshit.
Pony related is not something we use to reject songs that we don't like, I think you shouldn't throw around accusations like this when you are not aware how the pre-listeners even work.

[Mundius]

The reason it got rejected is because it wasn't pony enough. If he had posted a picture of harvest moon or animal crossing or really any other lighthearted show, movie, game, book, etc it wouldn't be pony related anymore.

Wait, so out of all the prelisteners, nopony noticed the fact that he was partially mimicking Ingram's style?

Also, here's my question. Why the FUCK is Alex S. featured in his own post (judging from what I've heard), when the song has less than nothing to do with ponies, and he isn't even referenced in any post? To be honest, there is a bias and I dislike it beyond dislike.

[senntenial]

Welcome to the internet where nothing makes sense and people think it does.
As a user before us said, it's all politics.

Why isn't there another blog with competent listeners?
LETS START ONE GUYS.

[Icky]

Wait, so out of all the prelisteners, nopony noticed the fact that he was partially mimicking Ingram's style?

We did, so from now on everything that sounds like Daniel Ingram is pony related? As far as I know he also made music for other shows, does that make Vedrim's song "Martha Speaks" related aswell?

Also, here's my question. Why the FUCK is Alex S. featured in his own post (judging from what I've heard), when the song has less than nothing to do with ponies, and he isn't even referenced in any post? To be honest, there is a bias and I dislike it beyond dislike

We didn't get to pre-listen that song, Sethisto just posted it. Don't blame us, I actually asked why it got posted and was told because "it was amazing"

[Vedrim]

I can't help but feel that if I had called the song something like "Rainbowjack" and used a picture of those two characters as the video, it would have altered the initial perceptions and made the song "seem" more pony because of having used both country and rock instruments and motifs in the song.

[PrincessAddictia]

Guys, you should really be a bit more thankfull for EQD and everything Sethisto does.
He created a site where you can find anything pony and he does all this in his freetime.
So if he decides to post a track he likes on what technically still is his personal blog you just have to deal with it. And don't blame the prelisteners for following the rules.

[Icky]

I can't help but feel that if I had called the song something like "Rainbowjack" and used a picture of those two characters as the video, it would have altered the initial perceptions and made the song "seem" more pony because of having used both country and rock instruments and motifs in the song.

I honestly can't say that's not true, I think if you actually had done this the song would have gone through because there's a clear theme going on and it's not just a song that sounds like Daniel Ingram.

[Vedrim]

I honestly can't say that's not true, I think if you actually had done this the song would have gone through because there's a clear theme going on and it's not just a song that sounds like Daniel Ingram.

Yeah.

Since I'm not one to point out a problem without offering a solution (as that accomplishes nothing), perhaps a better way for the pre-listeners to handle a song's "quantification of pony" would be to run a blind test; that is, have people submit a link to an untitled mp3 copy of their song along with the YouTube link, and have Seth assign each an ID (perhaps based on the timestamp of the email to make it easy) and only forward over the untitled versions. That way, people could gauge how much a song relates to the show, its characters, and its themes without external influence. Kind of like when they do those tests to see whether people prefer brand A, B, or C without seeing the label of the product.

[senntenial]

I think it still depends highly on the Pre-listeners interests.
Being said, there really should be a separate blog for Brony Musicians, EQD shouldn't be the only outlet.

[Rainbowdutch]

Since I'm not one to point out a problem without offering a solution (as that accomplishes nothing), perhaps a better way for the pre-listeners to handle a song's "quantification of pony" would be to run a blind test; that is, have people submit a link to an untitled mp3 copy of their song along with the YouTube link, and have Seth assign each an ID (perhaps based on the timestamp of the email to make it easy) and only forward over the untitled versions. That way, people could gauge how much a song relates to the show, its characters, and its themes without external influence. Kind of like when they do those tests to see whether people prefer brand A, B, or C without seeing the label of the product.

normally we look at what the musician wants to achive with that song. for example he might want to portrait the feeling of luna while she was on the moon, he wants to portrait fluttershy's caracter or portrait an event in one of the latest episedes. most of the times this is clear by the title, description or both. we take into consideration if this is not too far fetched (I think we had an instrumental song once which was about what would happen if fluttershy was a james bond). and ofcourse we listen to the song and see if it achieves in what the musician tries to achieve.

with your solution we wouldnt be able to do the first two and we would just hear the song and have no clue what the goal of the instrumental is.

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Based on the prelistener criteria stated before, do you think NotACleverPony's "For the New Lunar Republic," song would be featured, or rejected, if he was an unknown brony musician today?

Judging from the fact it sounds, "less pony," than Vedrim's sound, I'm almost 100% certain he would be rejected.

In other words, one of the pioneers of brony music, and an influence to the entire brony musician community, would likely have his song rejected by the standards today, because it wouldn't sound, "pony enough."

I'd really like to hear what, "pony-sounding," really is. If Vedrim's sound isn't pony sounding (upbeat, slight Ingram influence, happy), I honestly have no idea what is.

this is not how we judge instrumentals (see the beginning of my post on how we, or at least I, judge them)

Just a few examples that don't adhere to this elusive, "pony-sound," that the prelisteners apparently use to judge whether or not a song is worthy to be featured, leading me to believe that this so called, "pony-sound," doesn't have any set criteria for it, and is instead simply a term used by the prelisteners to judge music by whether or not it fits their own taste in music (aka, this genre doesn't sound like the pony music I enjoy, therefore it's not pony-enough.)

over here you are jumping to the conclusion that we judge music based on if it fits our own taste in music. then you jump to the conclusion that if we dont like a genre than we will not put it on eqd.

And in case you're wondering, yes, I am angry at this. Prelisteners should be able to appreciate every type of genre, and be able to judge each genre in an analytical way, determining how much effort was put into it, what the inspiration behind the song is, and determine its quality by comparing it to other music IN THAT GENRE.

and you start being angry about the rediculus conclusion you made and have no clue of if it is true or not.

In the case of Vedrim's song, it's clean, it's well mixed, well mastered, and compared to other songs in that genre, stacks up very well.

completely agree here.

He is also established in the MLR community, and knows the show, which matched with his own description that he was influenced by the show, cements the fact he wrote something pony related, and is not simply trying to take advantage of the fandom.

16 posts = established???
there is no possible way for us to know if someone knows the show and makes music for the show or if someone knows the show and wants to feed off of the show.

That's what the job of being a prelistener is. You analyze the damn song, determine the quality of the mixing and mastering, and determine whether or not it's pony related by reading the description and/or determining if the musician is a brony (such as being an active MLR member). You then make your own vote whether or not to approve the song, based on that analysis.

good job of summarizing what a prelistener is supposed to do. we know this.

Being a prelistener does not mean you approve or disapprove songs based on, "how pony," they sound to you. That's 100% biased bullshit, and is based off your own personal taste of what, "pony sounding," something is.

we take everything into account not just if it is "pony enough". however if only one of these factors you named in your paragraph above aproches zero there is just no way that we can put it on eqd.

If you don't judge songs from an analytical perspective, and instead judge songs by your own personal taste, you have no business being a prelistener. End of story.

yeah, we know this.

Obviously EqD shouldn't be the only outlet for brony musicians, but it sadly is

I dissagree with this statement. yes, eqd is the biggest outlet for brony musicians but defenitly not the only. in this community we have several radio's of which celestia radio has about 50 listeners while autodjing and close to 100 when people are djing, everyponyradio which has about 30 listeners at any given point in time and ofcourse everfree radio of which I sadly dont have any numbers. we have at least 2 pony music tumblrs of which the pony-music tumblr isn't comfortable on giving out numbers but I am allowed to quote this:

[20:38:12] <PNY> Yannik: And let's say for mine... If I was open about followers I would've made a couple of milestone posts by now.

and ofcourse we have MLR and equestrian beats where we can share our music.

also you prove yourself wrong only a couple of paragraphes down.

I'd like to say there are other outlets for brony musicians to get exposure in the brony community

but as it stands right now, EqD is the only way a new or lesser known musician will ever break out of that lesser known status.

the people listening to these radios or following these tumblrs do have a taste in music as well. If they hear something really good they talk about it, link it to other people and give positive feedback to the musician. (I have seen this happen personally to a song of miu that was played on celestia radio)

Sucks that it's like that, and as said earlier, we're working on different outlets, but that's the way things are right now, and you're only a fool if you believe otherwise.

call me a fool, I still believe that you are wrong.


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Part of the biggest reason why there is grumbling about EqD is the lack or reponse a lot of the time. Even if there was a default set of responses to get back to users (not pony enough, needs mastering, not good enough yet, needs a better video, etc) it gives people the chance to improve and to continue submitting.

we have already known that this is the case for a long time now. we have begun to appoint someone at the start of a prelistening session who is gonna send the musician of every musician of which a song is rejected a message explaining why it was rejected. most of the time there people are cyril, philly or I.

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Based on those email responses, it seems like the lesser known musicians have to implement samples from the show and/or limit their creativity to a theme and/or particular style in order to get prelistener approval.

we don't take popularity to account when we are prelistening.
also what should go on eqd is not music. it is pony related music. the way you do this is up to you. if you wanna use samples or stick to a certain theme from the show that is fine. we just judge if you did this well enough not on how you did this.

Meanwhile, it seems like these rules don't apply to other, already established artists, who get their songs featured on a dedicated post, despite even clearly being stated that they're not related to the show. Example

like korry said this is just seth being seth. we had no to stop this and it was done without us knowing.

3. Let non-brony musicians get their works featured because they use samples. Example 2 - Quote from description: "My brother (Nate Brown) has been producing electronic music under the name "Baasik" for around three months. This is his first attempt at Dubstep. I offered him a little exposure in exchange for a little dignity..." Granted, this was a collaboration between a brony musician and a non-brony musician, but the description clearly states it's meant to help his brother (non-brony) get more exposure.

this is in my opinion a difficult one and it is from quite some time ago (uploaded 1st of januari). but it would work as a collaboration between this guy and his brother.

(on another note I can't find it on eqd, I will just take your word for it that it has been on there but the fact that you linked directly to the song and not the eqd page makes me wonder)

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this post took way longer that it should have (a couple of hours I think) so there are bound to be mistakes in my reasoning. please if you find them point them out to me so I can elaborate on it.

[WoodenToaster]

Piss.

[Interrobang Pie]

^

[Freewave]

Thanks RDutch for discussing this was on here as there's been grumblings for awhile and no one to talk to regarding it here after the pre-listeners plan was implemented. This at least feels like there are some definite systems in place to judge the music fairly and get it exposure which is what I was hoping for. I don't have any additional comments other than I hope people can see EqD as a good thing when it works well and not as the enemy because a person's particular video video didn't get on there. My biggest issue for awhile was in not getting any responses my submissions, at all and yes that really upset me as it should. As long as people are fitting the criteria they should keep trying to submit their music and EqD should let them know if they don't make the queue and why. I'm sure there will be examples which are very debatable about their omissions but then again music is not a definite and one persons's pony music is another person's pino (pony in name only). Either way this process is still a work in progress and everyone won't always be satisfied I'm just glad that people are listening now and we're getting responses to concerns.

[Navron]

I appreciate the replies by the prelisteners. I hope I'm not coming off as bashing you for the sake of bashing you. I'm just trying to convey my own personal perception of what's going on, because I'm sure a lot of musicians share the same perception.

Pony related is not something we use to reject songs that we don't like, I think you shouldn't throw around accusations like this when you are not aware how the pre-listeners even work.

The reason it got rejected is because it wasn't pony enough.

I am completely confused.

16 posts = established???
there is no possible way for us to know if someone knows the show and makes music for the show or if someone knows the show and wants to feed off of the show.

So a person who sends a personal message explaining how he was influenced by the show for his song, mirrors that information in the description, has an MLP related background, and is a member of the MLR community is not enough basis to determine whether the song is legit, or a person taking advantage of the community?

we take everything into account not just if it is "pony enough". however if only one of these factors you named in your paragraph above aproches zero there is just no way that we can put it on eqd.

NavyBrony wrote:
In the case of Vedrim's song, it's clean, it's well mixed, well mastered, and compared to other songs in that genre, stacks up very well.

completely agree here.

The main issue I'm getting at, is judging by the own prelistener's feedback here, and in response to Vedrim's song, there shouldn't have been any reason his song was rejected. Especially now, with this whole topic about it, it's pretty much 100% clear Vedrim isn't just a musician leeching off the community.

I'm still confused as to what defines, "pony enough." Like the above quote, you say you don't judge songs based on how pony it is, then (in the same response) say the song was rejected because it wasn't pony enough.

What is this pony sound?

That's what's frustrating on the receiving end. We feel as if our songs are being judged by some quality that isn't laid out, nor described. That when we submit a song, we somehow have to secretly pray that it has that, "pony-sound," while not having any idea what that really is. And it isn't just the prelisteners either:

Instrumental time! How pony is it? Who knows! They are all good though.

Source: http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/01/i ... plane.html

More questionably pony music that is quality enough to post! So much coming in lately. Their genres can be found in the list below.

Source: http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/01/i ... -doom.html
You could call this a symptom of being in the military, but nothing makes me more angry than having my integrity questioned. Even something as slight as this:

(on another note I can't find it on eqd, I will just take your word for it that it has been on there but the fact that you linked directly to the song and not the eqd page makes me wonder)

So I have provided a link for you: http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/01/m ... l-for.html

Nobody likes having their integrity questioned, but when people start passing judgement on a musician's intentions, it's akin to saying, "You're a liar!"

Which brings us around to the whole, "pony-related," thing.

Getting a song rejected sucks, I'm sure we've all been there, but doubting a musician's sincerity and honesty is just kicking them while they're down, and that's exactly what you did you Vedrim.

IMO, I think a bit too much was being asked of him, trying to determine whether or not he was a legitimate brony musician, and now that there's pretty much absolutely no question, that leaves one last reason why his song should not be posted.

it wasn't pony enough

Whatever that means will remain a mystery.

[Vedrim]

normally we look at what the musician wants to achive with that song. for example he might want to portrait the feeling of luna while she was on the moon, he wants to portrait fluttershy's caracter or portrait an event in one of the latest episedes. most of the times this is clear by the title, description or both. we take into consideration if this is not too far fetched (I think we had an instrumental song once which was about what would happen if fluttershy was a james bond). and ofcourse we listen to the song and see if it achieves in what the musician tries to achieve.

we don't take popularity to account when we are prelistening.
also what should go on eqd is not music. it is pony related music.

http://www.equestriadaily.com/2012/03/i ... .html#more

#4: Psychedelic Brony: A Song For ‽π (Psychedelic Electronic)

Quote from the artist when I asked him what the song had to do with the show, its characters, and its themes:

I actually kind of agree with you on that one, that was never really meant for EqD, I didn't even send it in!

[Icky]

I appreciate the replies by the prelisteners. I hope I'm not coming off as bashing you for the sake of bashing you. I'm just trying to convey my own personal perception of what's going on, because I'm sure a lot of musicians share the same perception.

Pony related is not something we use to reject songs that we don't like, I think you shouldn't throw around accusations like this when you are not aware how the pre-listeners even work.

The reason it got rejected is because it wasn't pony enough.

I am completely confused.

It didn't get rejected because I personally did not enjoy it, I loved the song. It just didn't have any connection to the show My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic.

I have no idea why this concept is confusing for you.

[bartekko]

Prelisteners...

Guys, you don't take the most important and constructive arguments into account, instead fighting where the enemy is weaker, not caring about their right.

[Rainbowdutch]

16 posts = established???
there is no possible way for us to know if someone knows the show and makes music for the show or if someone knows the show and wants to feed off of the show.

So a person who sends a personal message explaining how he was influenced by the show for his song, mirrors that information in the description, has an MLP related background, and is a member of the MLR community is not enough basis to determine whether the song is legit, or a person taking advantage of the community?

all of these things were made clear to us afterwards.

you do know that we get a lot of music thrown our way and that we take a couple of hours of our time everyday to proporly judge this? if we would have to judge every song again and again just because someone has some new evidence of why a previously rejected song has to go through we wouldn't have any free time anymore.

<sarcasm>and yeah we totally check if every artist is on MLR and we know everyone on here that has made about 10 posts or more. </sarcasm>

The main issue I'm getting at, is judging by the own prelistener's feedback here, and in response to Vedrim's song, there shouldn't have been any reason his song was rejected. Especially now, with this whole topic about it, it's pretty much 100% clear Vedrim isn't just a musician leeching off the community.

to me it the "pony" part was "aproaching zero" (what I meant by this is that it is too low, which could be below any fictional number like 50%) and apparently some people agreed with me (judging by the fact that I wasen't there when we prelistend to his song and it didn't go through).

what you do have to remember is that something being pony enough is a big grey area. it is subjective. we can argue all week long but there is no way it will change a thing.

I'm still confused as to what defines, "pony enough." Like the above quote, you say you don't judge songs based on how pony it is, then (in the same response) say the song was rejected because it wasn't pony enough.

normally we look at what the musician wants to achive with that song. for example he might want to portrait the feeling of luna while she was on the moon, he wants to portrait fluttershy's caracter or portrait an event in one of the latest episedes. most of the times this is clear by the title, description or both. we take into consideration if this is not too far fetched (I think we had an instrumental song once which was about what would happen if fluttershy was a james bond). and ofcourse we listen to the song and see if it achieves in what the musician tries to achieve.

you say you don't judge songs based on how pony it is

where did I say that? just to clearify we do judge songs based on how pony it is.

That's what's frustrating on the receiving end. We feel as if our songs are being judged by some quality that isn't laid out, nor described. That when we submit a song, we somehow have to secretly pray that it has that, "pony-sound," while not having any idea what that really is. And it isn't just the prelisteners either:

we had a lenghty discussion about the standards here viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1093
but there are no real standerds on the eqd site. but I wouldnt say that the prereading stuff reveals everything http://www.equestriadaily.com/2011/09/h ... daily.html

Sethisto wrote:
Instrumental time! How pony is it? Who knows! They are all good though.

its seth he tries to get these as entertaining as possible. even though he mosts literally millions of those posts a day.

Nobody likes having their integrity questioned, but when people start passing judgement on a musician's intentions, it's akin to saying, "You're a liar!"

I was about to say that on a lack of evidence, but I thought that I would be jumping to assumptions as wel so I thought I would give you a chance to link it.

Getting a song rejected sucks, I'm sure we've all been there, but doubting a musician's sincerity and honesty is just kicking them while they're down, and that's exactly what you did you Vedrim.

we are not doupting his honesty and cincerity. we see what he tried to do. and he tried his best. but he was just not quite there. also we are not "kicking him while he is already down" we are rejecting it and say that masteringwise it is really good and that he should try again.

Icky wrote:
it wasn't pony enough


Whatever that means will remain a mystery.

nice line to end a post off with but to us prelisteners it is quite clear what it means. I have been trying my best to explain it to you guys but somewhere in the chain of communication something went wrong.

[Pickslide1992]

Well, I for one am glad to finally see some answers straight from the horse's mouth (Pun not intended), and I see some of the posts as Seth being, well, Seth. I appreciate everything EqD has done for me, no matter how long ago it was since I last posted a song there, but I at least have a sizable Soundcloud and Youtube subscriber base (Not huge, but better than I would have gotten otherwise), so I'm grateful that happened for me.

As for the track in question that seems to have sparked this little situation, I liked it too and it did have that Ingram sound but I have to agree with the pre-listeners here, not on a basis of whether or not it's pony enough, but the fact with the right VSTs, anyone can pull of the Ingram/Anderson sound. They use stuff no different than most brony musicians I know (Hell, me and Anderson use practically the same guitar effects unit), so that's my reasoning, as flawed as it may be. Besides, Ingram worked on other shows like Martha Speaks and I want to say Pucca.

Anyway, like I said, I'm happy we finally got some answers so we can fully understand what's going on.

[Navron]

I have been trying my best to explain it to you guys but somewhere in the chain of communication something went wrong.

An unfortunate symptom of online interaction.

I am content at this point. I think we're all closer to being on the same page than we realize, so just to clarify this situation, and make sure we're all on the same page:

1. The term, "pony sounding," and/or, "pony enough," is less of an actual sound or genre, and more of a judge on the emotional aspect behind the song, and it's relation to the show and/or character.

2. Vedrim's song in question was originally rejected before it was 100% certain he was a legitimate brony artist.

3. Sethisto posts the popular artists regardless of how pony related they are, and sends most everything else to the prelisteners.

Please correct me if I am wrong in any of these assumptions. Again, I just want to make sure we're all on the same page now, and the above 3 assumptions are what I was mainly driving at.

Now, considering at times, fans will submit a popular artist's work to EqD, regardless if it's pony related or not, and the fact Seth seems to just give popular artists free reign while subjecting everybody else to a screening process, would it be better if there was a dedicated music submission? As of right now, music goes with everything else to [email protected], while I believe fan-fiction has a dedicated process that must be sent to pre-readers first.

Could we do something similar?

[LunchBagMusic]

So I can see that this thread is just about dead, but I think there needs to be some sort of strategy implemented in here for this to be of significant benefit to the brony music community. We can't keep having these underdog vs. Pre-listener arguments.

Perhaps a google doc, or something, of what truly defines a pony piece; the "Pony Sound" that seems to have been the discussion of this post.
It should be somewhere accessible, so just like when someone posts about them loosing motivation in their music we give them Ira Glass, we can give them "What makes a pony piece pony" for the "Why isn't my piece pony enough?" posts.

True, that "pony sound" is elusive, and difficult to define. The doc wouldn't be easy to get perfect, and it would take a lot of discussion. But it would help to stop all of ...this.

Now, considering at times, fans will submit a popular artist's work to EqD, regardless if it's pony related or not, and the fact Seth seems to just give popular artists free reign while subjecting everybody else to a screening process, would it be better if there was a dedicated music submission? As of right now, music goes with everything else to [email protected], while I believe fan-fiction has a dedicated process that must be sent to pre-readers first.

Perhaps... Music is getting as big as fanfiction in this fandom, so it would help.

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[Rainbowdutch]

I have been trying my best to explain it to you guys but somewhere in the chain of communication something went wrong.

An unfortunate symptom of online interaction.

I am content at this point. I think we're all closer to being on the same page than we realize, so just to clarify this situation, and make sure we're all on the same page:

1. The term, "pony sounding," and/or, "pony enough," is less of an actual sound or genre, and more of a judge on the emotional aspect behind the song, and it's relation to the show and/or character.

2. Vedrim's song in question was originally rejected before it was 100% certain he was a legitimate brony artist.

3. Sethisto posts the popular artists regardless of how pony related they are, and sends most everything else to the prelisteners.

Please correct me if I am wrong in any of these assumptions. Again, I just want to make sure we're all on the same page now, and the above 3 assumptions are what I was mainly driving at.

Now, considering at times, fans will submit a popular artist's work to EqD, regardless if it's pony related or not, and the fact Seth seems to just give popular artists free reign while subjecting everybody else to a screening process, would it be better if there was a dedicated music submission? As of right now, music goes with everything else to [email protected], while I believe fan-fiction has a dedicated process that must be sent to pre-readers first.

Could we do something similar?

yes we are totally on the same page when it comes to those three points

when it comes to seth, we just prelisten everything he sends us and tell him if it should go on eqd or not. we don't get everything that is posted to eqd.

but ultimately it is sethisto's blog and not ours. we could suggest changing the music submission system but it is his blog so his choice to do so.