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Postby itroitnyah » 04 Jan 2014 09:55

Since there seem to be a few topics going up in this subforum about various genres, I figured I should throw this one in here. You know, to talk about new and rising dubstep producers, ones you already know and love, finding new dubstep songs to listen to, amazing dubsteppery, questions and anything else that you may want to know about dubstep. All styles and periods of dubstep are welcome for discussion, whether you prefer old school or like modern much more. Just don't be a dick about which style you prefer.

I guess I'll start the thread off, then...

SirensCeol and Skrux would have to be the top two on my list for artists who stick out for me. Both produce some awesome modern style pieces, both got in general big last year. Pretty awesome stuff. My favorite piece by Sirens and my fav piece by Skrux.

Another thing, sorta to ignite a fire here, is Skrillex. A lot of people seem to really think that his music is very generic. However, to be generic that would have to imply that the same thing has been done many times before, and as far as I know, Skrillex's style pioneered the way into mainstream. Unless I'm mistaken and the style that he does was done before he went big. Regardless, his music is still pretty good. it flows really well, and I find it very pleasing to listen to.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby Captain Ironhelm » 04 Jan 2014 12:24

For all your brostep needs:

https://www.youtube.com/user/MADubstep

Also look up Koven if you haven't heard of him, he does some decent neuro.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby simonli2575 » 04 Jan 2014 12:36

It's funny how I used to like Brostep a lot and then started not liking it after knowing proper Dubstep.
Although that, I'm slowly beginning to re-appreciate the genre.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby S.P.P » 04 Jan 2014 13:06

Trollphace is probably my favourite dubstep producer. www.soundcloud.com/trollphace.
His basses are god-tier.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby azerty » 04 Jan 2014 13:36

PYR3LIGHT wrote:Trollphace is probably my favourite dubstep producer. http://www.soundcloud.com/trollphace.
His basses are god-tier.
+1 for Trollphace

If you want god-tier basses, there's always the guys like Au5, Fractal, and Prismatic, with their unique brand of heavy-yet-melodic dubstep (and related genres).


Also, these guys, for a grimier selection:


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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby itroitnyah » 04 Jan 2014 14:05

There isn't a little reply box for me. It felt so strange hitting the "Post Reply" button. Anyways.

Spoiler a large list of songs. Will take a long time to load:
Are we going to ignore Tristam? His music is very dancy. I love it.
https://soundcloud.com/monstercat/tristam-till-its-over

EH!DE also does some awesome stuff
https://soundcloud.com/ehide-dubstep/different-heaven-eh-de-my

Walking Def apparently did a song for GoPro for an advertisement during the soup bowl last year. They have a bunch of good songs though
https://soundcloud.com/walkingdef/come-to-me

Clark Kent also does some really awesome stuff.
https://soundcloud.com/clarkkentofficial/fragments

How about Minnesota? Besides this chill track, he also does some other smooth and awesome tracks
https://soundcloud.com/minnesota/come-around-minnesota-remix

Stan B (AKA Fox Stevenson) makes some pretty decent tracks, although the vocals aren't quite 9/10
https://soundcloud.com/foxstevenson/stan-sb-were-alive-download

If you're really into chill ass dubstep like me, Tut Tut Child is the way to go
https://soundcloud.com/monstercat/tut-tut-child-gravity-feat

I haven't heard a lot of stuff by AZEDIA, but this track is really awesome:
https://soundcloud.com/monstercat/azedia-calm-down

MitiS makes some really nice tracks as well, chill and all. Some heavier tracks too, if I remember correctly.
https://soundcloud.com/mitis/dope-arcade-ascension-mitis

Culture Code does some really nice stuff as well.
https://soundcloud.com/culturecode/one-republic-culture-code-remix

We've all heard of Butch Clancy, right?
https://soundcloud.com/butchclancy/rihanna-stay-butch-clancy

MUST DIE! Is an amazing producer, I love his work
https://soundcloud.com/mustdiemusic/bourke-vegas-im-alive-must

Aylen is simply amazing, his/her tracks are absolutely 10/10 99% of the time
https://soundcloud.com/nickraymondg/coldplay-fix-you-aylen-remix

Lindsey Stirling also is really amazing. Dat violin
https://soundcloud.com/dubstep/crystallize-by-lindsey

Alex Sin has some pretty neato stuff that has more traditional wubs in it
https://soundcloud.com/dubstep/crazy-by-alex-sin

Specimen A does some really awesome stuff as well. I guess you could say that his music is... Unforgettable.
https://soundcloud.com/specimena/specimen-a-unforgettable-ft-nickita

Dodge and Fuski are pretty amazing as well. They have some dirtier stuff and sound p.nice.
https://soundcloud.com/neversaydie/dodge-fuski-sucker-punch-2

Rogue has some pretty awesome pieces out as well. Again, with the more traditional wubbing
https://soundcloud.com/monstercat/rogue-exogenesis

Felxprod makes some darker stuff, but it sounds phenominal
https://soundcloud.com/dubstep/mushroom-paradise-by-felxprod

Karetus has some really awesome tracks out, but this one stuck out the most
https://soundcloud.com/karetus/like-home-karetus-remix-free

Whiiite makes some really phenominal pieces. I love them
https://soundcloud.com/dubstep/broken-by-whiiite-prima-volta

Virtual Riot has some really chill pieces and they're really incredible
https://soundcloud.com/dubstep/in-your-hands-by-virtual-riot-ft-lisarowe


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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby S.P.P » 04 Jan 2014 14:15

azerty wrote:
PYR3LIGHT wrote:Trollphace is probably my favourite dubstep producer. http://www.soundcloud.com/trollphace.
His basses are god-tier.
+1 for Trollphace

If you want god-tier basses, there's always the guys like Au5, Fractal, and Prismatic

Au5's basses are mostly pretty straightforward; I made this in literally about 5 minutes https://dl.dropbox.com/s/tpz7lzkd8y8yph ... Phelpz.mp3
His music is ace though. :D
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby simonli2575 » 04 Jan 2014 14:20

Guys, please use spoiler boxes, loading so much stuff at once isn't pleasent.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby ExoBassTix » 04 Jan 2014 17:31

simonli2575 wrote:Guys, please use spoiler boxes, loading so much stuff at once isn't pleasent.

It was even asked in the section rules by Freewave.



Anyways, I've always liked Dubstep really, just never been much into it (except when I initially found Dungeon Dubstep, boy was I addicted).
As far as I know, my mind loves Jafu and Baku the most. Jafu has those insanely sexy stabs and is great at setting a groove, and Baku is impossible with percussion and atmosphere.

Oh and before I forget, have one of my ever favorite Dungeon Dubstep tracks:
Spoiler Clearlight - Rooted Dub:
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby senntenial » 04 Jan 2014 22:00

I used to be such the dubstep fanatic, I started by listening to some really heavy Excision music (actually this is probably the first time I ever really listened to EDM.)

I used to blast X rated in my friends car at night, it was awesome. I actually tried to go to a concert of his. I drove 2 hours only to find that it was 18+ (even though it said all ages on the ticket site).

After that I got into stuff by Knife Party. Alot of it isn't really dubstep, but it kind of fits in with the whole brostep scene IMO. I really like Fire Hive and Bonfire by them.

Unfortunately I've been listening to about 0 dubstep songs lately. It just seems so overdone sometimes - so many sub par producers trying to make it big by producing a popular genre, and I don't like sifting for gold.

While we're on it, Skillex is fantastic and anyone who says he's generic isn't a true hipster.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby simonli2575 » 04 Jan 2014 23:00

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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby itroitnyah » 05 Jan 2014 00:47

senntenial wrote:Unfortunately I've been listening to about 0 dubstep songs lately. It just seems so overdone sometimes - so many sub par producers trying to make it big by producing a popular genre, and I don't like sifting for gold.
You may not have been implying what I'm going to say, but I really dislike how people seem to think that just because somebody is making music of a mainstream genre they're fame whoring. However, isn't finding a good song in any genre a bit like sifting for gold? I mean, unless you have really high standards for dubstep and really shitty standards for every other genre in the world.

While we're on it, Skillex is fantastic and anyone who says he's generic isn't a true hipster.
Hey, I'm not the only one who thinks so. Lol.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby ExoBassTix » 05 Jan 2014 16:05

itroitnyah wrote:
senntenial wrote:While we're on it, Skillex is fantastic and anyone who says he's generic isn't a true hipster.
Hey, I'm not the only one who thinks so. Lol.
I'm on the same boat. He has his own style (that I don't necessarily like), and he uses it in a clever way, which others try to replicate a lot (I'm gonna use DJ Pon-3 as an example, no offense (further response to this is to be disregarded)). Next to that, he has wide-ass mastering skills.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby S.P.P » 05 Jan 2014 16:10

I gotta agree. While I don't particularly like most of his music, I've always maintained that Skrillex's technical ability is very good, and his writing skills are good too.

Edit: Exo. I'm pretty certain he doesn't mix or master his own stuff. Most people at that level give it over to engineers for that. ;3
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby ExoBassTix » 05 Jan 2014 16:15

Correction: his tracks got wide-ass mastering swag.

:3

Is there anyone else who realized that this discussion on Skrillex started with the assumption that someone here would rant about how generic he is?
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby senntenial » 05 Jan 2014 16:51

itroitnyah wrote:
senntenial wrote:Unfortunately I've been listening to about 0 dubstep songs lately. It just seems so overdone sometimes - so many sub par producers trying to make it big by producing a popular genre, and I don't like sifting for gold.
You may not have been implying what I'm going to say, but I really dislike how people seem to think that just because somebody is making music of a mainstream genre they're fame whoring. However, isn't finding a good song in any genre a bit like sifting for gold? I mean, unless you have really high standards for dubstep and really shitty standards for every other genre in the world.


I do agree: just because something is popular it doesn't make it inherently shitty but it does attract others who make music for the popularity instead of the quality and passion of it. Since I'd reckon Dubstep is one of the most popular EDM genres, I find I have to sift through more than usual amounts of bad songs to find something unique and worthwhile.

tl;dr:
lets say dubstep has 10 artists. Out of those 10 artists, 5 are actually more invested in hip-hop or chill, but create dubstep for the popularity of the genre (and it really does show)
Then maybe take something like IDM with 10 artists. Since IDM isn't all that popular, all of the artists are creating IDM because they truly enjoy the music.

Now I understand this is a broad assertion and not necessarily true, but in the time I've spent looking for new artists, the Dubstep guys have let me down more than pleased. That's not to say though that there aren't some brilliant dubstep producers. They're just a tad fewer and more far in-between IMO.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby itroitnyah » 05 Jan 2014 21:40

ExoBassTix wrote:Is there anyone else who realized that this discussion on Skrillex started with the assumption that someone here would rant about how generic he is?
Yes, yes it did.
senntenial wrote:I do agree: just because something is popular it doesn't make it inherently shitty but it does attract others who make music for the popularity instead of the quality and passion of it. Since I'd reckon Dubstep is one of the most popular EDM genres, I find I have to sift through more than usual amounts of bad songs to find something unique and worthwhile.
Generally though, the masses will bring the good stuff to the top and the stuff that is bad will stay at the bottom. But the thing about people doing it just for fame, I don't really mind. I mean, if the stuff they're making is still good, then I don't really see why I should dislike them because they're not making dubstep for the love of it. The music is still good. And don't try to tell me that they don't deserve the fame they're getting, because they still put a lot of work into the song. Sure, the idea that somebody is doing something for fame makes the product less appealing, but when you think about it, that really makes no sense. Because if there were two songs, one was shitty and one was amazing, but it was apparently obvious that the person who made the amazing song was in it just for the fame and the person who made the shitty song made it purely for the love of the genre, the amazing song would still be amazing and the shitty song would still be shitty.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby senntenial » 05 Jan 2014 21:44

itroitnyah wrote:But the thing about people doing it just for fame, I don't really mind. I mean, if the stuff they're making is still good, then I don't really see why I should dislike them because they're not making dubstep for the love of it. The music is still good. And don't try to tell me that they don't deserve the fame they're getting, because they still put a lot of work into the song


I don't think I'm being entirely clear. If someone does something for fame but are also invested in doing it, it's fine. When someone's only motive is fame, that's when things get shaky. I don't care if people use what's popular to climb the ladder (I mean, I did it when I started with brony stuff) but I do care when the quality suffers. For me, at least, it seems easy to figure out when someone is passionate about what they do.
Anyone can exploit popularity, and I don't oppose that when someone has other motives that make music shine, because otherwise it's just the same old junky overused stuff with no innovation or creativity; mass produced instead of hand-detailed.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby itroitnyah » 06 Jan 2014 09:41

Ah, alright. That's understandable, then.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby Mr. Bigglesworth » 18 Jan 2014 18:21

I'm a lot less into Dubstep of late too. I'm more into genres like DnB or Moombahcore now.

Although I'd really like to mention Destroid. They make some pretty great stuff; dubstep included.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby 3ternal » 18 Jan 2014 19:48

Meanwhile, in Dubstep I listen to:


In all seriousness though, I dig these guys so much.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby itroitnyah » 18 Jan 2014 23:23

MitiS just got featured on monstercat with this badass track.

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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby XXDarkShadow79XX » 08 Feb 2014 16:52

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Seven Lions and the inherent ethereal beauty in his music.



But I digress. Dubstep means a lot to me. As my first foray into EDM, and really the genre that got me into music in general, I have a lot of respect for it. I stopped seeing unconventional sound as noise, and more as music. The fact remains that you cannot say that a dubstep producer does not care about their music. If the song is well made, mixed, and structured, then the artist clearly put time and effort and love into it. And that is what I appreciate about the genre most. Well, that and:



Yeah, there is a very wide variety of the stuff. Deathstep, Trancestep, whatever the hell Au5 is, it's all there. My true feelings for this genre are much, much more complicated than I can even force myself to put into words as of now. But I can tell you that this is one of my favorite EDM genres, (Which more or less includes all of them) and it's one I won't stop listening to for a long, long time.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby Actium » 09 Feb 2014 10:07

Seven Lions, Rameses B, Electus. My favorite melodic dubstep/chillstep artist.
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Re: Dubstep Discussion

Postby Navron » 09 Feb 2014 15:30

I like dubstep for the laid back chill and sci-fi feel.

I like brostep for the sound design.

I don't like lopping some very good artists that are very intricate with their sound design into brostep though. I reserve designating an artist as brostep for those who copy the sound design of others, are lazy with sound design (If I hear the modern talking waveform I skip the song), or copy the most overused structure (Most songs that drop at 53 seconds aren't worth listening to).

With that said, I think there's many artists that are unfairly classified as brostep simply because they're heavy with mid-range basses. There's plenty of crappy dubstep artists out there that copy structures and sounds just for the sake of popularity, and it's often pretty cringeworthy when they pop up on Pandora for me.

Now, when it comes to the fandom, I really dislike the dubstep scene, but not necessarily because of the artists. Alex S, Omnipony, Tombstone, and a few others have created some good songs, but when it comes to the fandom's definition of dubstep, it all has the same electro, fast-paced feel, usually mixed with elements of House and pop EDM. There's no real evolution of sound design in the fandom, and the dubstep musicians who do focus on crafting their own unique sounds are mostly unknown.

As an example, here are some examples of what is considered dubstep within the fandom:


Now, here's some examples of the kinds of dubstep you don't hear the fandom producing, where it still maintains the half-speed feel and moving, hypnotic quality of the subbass from classic dubstep, despite being heavier with the mid-range bass:
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