Nine Volt wrote:-lalala I don't want to quote Clavi's post but I agree with everything they said-
Aw, and I was so looking forward to it too! (For future reference, I'm a he.)
Nine Volt (and now ClaviSound because he's unoriginal) wrote:And now for the dreaded line by line. Bite me.
Nine Volt wrote:You posted it in the public thread and if you had intended it for A2Z specifically you should've PM'd him, but whatever it doesn't really matter that much so we shouldn't keep pursuing the subject so don't bother me about it.
You know how silly it is to give your argument and then say "don't bother me about it," right? I mean, look, you're right, because a post on a forum thread publicly invites response (that
is the point of a forum after all - sorry Freewave), but all the same it's easier to drop matters by simply not responding yourself instead of telling the other guy not to respond.
Nine Volt wrote:Do you honestly think that itroitnyah's one and single goal in this thread is to destroy this idea? This isn't a perfect idea and I seriously doubt that itroitnyah really cares all that much whether it sinks or swims, and though he could've worded his responses better (though you could have as well) he doesn't seem to have any kind of vendetta against this project, just a slightly cynical outlook.
no itroitnyah caused teh illuminati he must die
In all seriousness, I would take the guy much more seriously if he offered alternatives. Again, the golden rule of feedback is substance and helpfulness. He is explaining why he thinks certain things aren't going to work, yes, but he's not being all that helpful, nor is he giving insight to how successful blogs work and what we should emulate. (He hasn't posted since I asked, though, so I apologize in advance for still judging him.)
Nine Volt wrote:It's barbed critique, but it is critique.
Would you eat a cake with rat droppings on it? I mean, it's still a cake.
Of course, that's not very nice of me to twist it that way, but while negative criticism may be criticism, it's still negative.
Nine Volt wrote:He's giving reasons why he thinks the blog will fail. And the "though out" plans aren't perfect either, so don't act like they're flawless.
Once again, I (and I would hope most of the others supporting this so far) am perfectly receptive to feedback, but only if it is given in the first place. He's giving reasons why he thinks the blog will fail... and nothing else. Likewise, if the details aren't perfect either, how should we improve them? (That question goes towards both itroitnyah and Nine Volt, as well as anyone else unsure of the current foundation we're using at the moment.) GIVE US YOUR KNOWLEDGE SO WE MAY SUCK GOOD IDEAS OUT OF YOUR BRAINS
Nine Volt wrote:I'm kind of unsure I want to post this because open disagreement with a mod is apparently no longer allowed in this thread or something, but I will anyway.
Sorry Freewave, but I think you sort of... lacked justification in your replies. I don't like itroitnyah's attitude any more than you do, but it's not nice to do everything short of telling him to shut up to his face. Now, were he to heckle the project and then say he has no clue how to make it better? Yeah, that's not cool. But as it is, if he has an idea for a better plan, then he needs to say it, and you need to ask him about that before things get unfriendly.
That being said, itroitnyah should have been suggesting things from the start without needing that kind of prompting. Lesson learned, let's get to being productive on improving this blog.
Nine Volt wrote:You should probably change the title of the thread to indicate the main topic has changed. Also, you should update the OP or something. That's probably at least partly why this whole fiasco happened.
Good idea, should happen ASAP. Even with the title change from just the "Downward Trajectory" bit, it's still confusing and tl;dr to make your way through all of the exposition from page 3 to page 9.
Nine Volt wrote:I personally see no reason why this blog should not happen, but at the same time I think the pro-blog side should at least listen to the criticism of the neutral side, however barbed, passive-aggressive, or caustic it may be (I say neutral because it doesn't really seem like anyone's actively opposed to the blog). Even if it fails it's not like the brony fandom will take any kind of big hit (not like I would really care or notice, but it's still important to many/most(?) people here).
I would love to listen to criticism of the neutral side, as you put it, if they submitted their own suggestions. Destructive criticism would turn constructive, there would be a clearer set of differing ideas presented, implementing them would be more effective, and we'd all be happy campers.
And like you said, this blog doesn't hold the fandom in its hands, and probably never will. (That's the job of Equestria Daily, dohohohoho)
In summation, I agree with Nine Volt on quite a number of things, but the reason why that agreement hasn't been put into action is because there's nothing to act on except the facets that we know people take issue with, which is kind of like having the check engine light on but not knowing what parts are malfunctioning and there are like five outdated manuals sort of lying around the vehicle's upholstered floor with some pages torn out and the covers are stained with Pepsi and yeah it's kinda like that.
In other words, cool, we understand that our plans aren't perfect. Whose are, especially when the blog sort of sprung up spontaneously? ...But what's not perfect with them? You must explain these things so that we can take them into account and use it to make the blog better.