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Postby Viricide Filly » 23 Aug 2013 20:16

I wanted to get a medal for the creator of the most heated topic in existence so here we go.
NOTE: I DON'T ACTUALLY WANT THIS TO BE A SHITSTORM. Everybody, be fucking civil or I'm requesting this to be locked.

I'm really, REALLY sick of seeing all this shit everywhere I go on MLR nowadays, so I think we need a topic where it can STAY.
Here's my two bits. WHO. THE. FUCK. CARES. The fucking Molestia blog doesn't even HAVE ANY RAPE IN IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. Good job, dinguses. You made a campaign targeting a blog for doing something it doesn't. How the fuck does it promote rape? just..what? It's like saying violant video games promote violence. It's THAT shit all over again. The entire blog is clever innuendos and hilarious jokes, and FUCKING HALF OF IT ISN'T EVEN MOLESTIA IT'S GAMER LUNA.
The funny thing is, Joseco doesn't even care. So, please, carry on wasting your time.

And now onto the subject of rape jokes since there's a visible aura of butthurt about those too.
I have friends who were raped who don't even give a damn. I know people with cancer who joke about cancer. I know people with uncurable diabetes who joke about that. I have aspergers and I joke about it. My mum has bipolar and she jokes about it. I know people who have lost relatives in 9/11 who make jokes about it. The world is a fucking awful, shitty, horrible place if you don't joke about the horrible stuff, ESPECIALLY if you have experienced aforementioned horrible stuff.

disclaimer: THIS IS MY OPINION if you get angry at me and stuff for this then boo hoo to you.
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Postby Fimbulin » 23 Aug 2013 21:52

I take offense at how you view this topic saying it doesn't matter simply because we live in a world like this and people should and do joke about bad things. You must not see the irony of taking a product made mainly for girls and turning it into a blog about rape jokes. Seriously, this is OK with you? I guarantee that my friends that have been raped would probably start crying if they ever found that blog. I've been to that blog myself before back when I used tumblr, and I thought it was disgusting. If you don't think that's rape then what planet were you born on?

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Re: Down with Molestia and related things (This needs a topi

Postby topitmunkeydog » 23 Aug 2013 22:03

I'm requesting this thread stay opened iff (if and only if) people can have a civil and intelligent discussion. I opened up the discussion in the spam thread and I got a few polite responses before someone got frustrated and blaaahhhed all over the subject. So I think we should do what it takes to keep everything polite, and the least you can do is be polite yourself.
But Viri, why do you curse and carry on after saying that you don't want to turn this topic into a PoopStorm?

My opinion has been already stated somewhere on the forums so I'll put it briefly: I don't like the blog but if the rule 34 people or whatever they are called want to keep it because for whatever weird reason they actually like that gross little blog then let them keep it. I support DWM because I think they blog should be kept away from people who don't want to see it. I don't think it's right that Molestia and Celestia have become almost synonymous with each other because of the blog.
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Re: Down with Molestia and related things (This needs a topi

Postby Viricide Filly » 23 Aug 2013 22:13

The blog isn't even r34 TBH.
Also, you guys are saying the blog is obviously rape but please link to me a post in which a character is raping another pony against their will. Link pls, thanks :3
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Re: Down with Molestia and related things (This needs a topi

Postby Motivfs » 23 Aug 2013 22:16

The Brony fandom always has to have some sort of shitstorm going on... (Maybe this happens with every fandom though, IDK).

My opinion..? I don't care, I really don't. People get so touchy on the internet. It's the internet, what do you expect? There are no rules on the internet, people will say what they want, when they want.

Also, when I used to play CoD (God forbid I ever touch that franchise again), people always said "Dude you got raped" etc etc... I truly don't see how you could take that by it's actual meaning. People need to stop digging so deep for a reason to complain.

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Re: Down with Molestia and related things (This needs a topi

Postby itroitnyah » 23 Aug 2013 22:29

Alright, I just wanna say that I have the mindset that the wheel of life will keep turning, so mourn a horrible event such as 9/11, but eventually you'll have to let it go, so I can and will make all the 9/11 and dead baby jokes I really please, and they entertain me. If people in real life tell me I should stop then depending on the person and the situation I will (if I've started in the first place, which is normally only when I'm around friends). EDIT: There are occasions where I'll stop telling these jokes upon request on the internet as well, but that also depends on the people and situation.

With that said, welcome to the internet. You're on a shithole corner where your opinion doesn't matter unless it's the popular opinion or you're popular with the website you're looking at. Your opinion holds no weight when you're trying to change a group of people, even if they're the minority. I used to really fight cloppers but eventually I just stopped because of that reason. Antibronies try to "fight us" and fail, you all get the idea, right?

Conclusion:
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's going to stop. Suck it up and move on with your life.

Also, you guys are saying the blog is obviously rape but please link to me a post in which a character is raping another pony against their will. Link pls, thanks :3
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Re: Down with Molestia and related things (This needs a topi

Postby topitmunkeydog » 23 Aug 2013 22:31

Viricide Filly wrote:The blog isn't even r34 TBH.
Also, you guys are saying the blog is obviously rape but please link to me a post in which a character is raping another pony against their will. Link pls, thanks :3

I'm not going to that blog again because I'm (obviously) grossed out by it! I'm sure I could provide you with an example though I shan't. But how much evidence do you need, with a name like Molestia? I'm pretty sure she doesn't get that name for beating Luna in call of dooty.
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Re: Down with Molestia and related things (This needs a topi

Postby Viricide Filly » 23 Aug 2013 22:36

itroitnyah wrote:Alright, I just wanna say that I have the mindset that the wheel of life will keep turning, so mourn a horrible event such as 9/11, but eventually you'll have to let it go, so I can and will make all the 9/11 and dead baby jokes I really please, and they entertain me. If people in real life tell me I should stop then depending on the person and the situation I will (if I've started in the first place, which is normally only when I'm around friends). EDIT: There are occasions where I'll stop telling these jokes upon request on the internet as well, but that also depends on the people and situation.

With that said, welcome to the internet. You're on a shithole corner where your opinion doesn't matter unless it's the popular opinion or you're popular with the website you're looking at. Your opinion holds no weight when you're trying to change a group of people, even if they're the minority. I used to really fight cloppers but eventually I just stopped because of that reason. Antibronies try to "fight us" and fail, you all get the idea, right?

Conclusion:
Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's going to stop. Suck it up and move on with your life.

Also, you guys are saying the blog is obviously rape but please link to me a post in which a character is raping another pony against their will. Link pls, thanks :3
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I agree with this entire post. Although, that link still only implies it, although that's the most extreme post I've seen from the blog >.<
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Re: Down with Molestia and related things (This needs a topi

Postby Jokeblue » 23 Aug 2013 22:47

That moment when I check out the Molestia tumblr and the first page is actually pretty funny.


It gets pretty pervy, but still funny.
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Re: Down with Molestia and related things (This needs a topi

Postby Freewave » 23 Aug 2013 23:04

Well I'm glad somebody posted this here before i did as i feel we've been dancing around a hot topic issue. I've been debating about posting a thread on this here on mlr and I think a forum is designed to handle debate better then a tumblr can and especially since those on different sides of the fence all operate here and because some of those who are promoting this campaign are even moderators on MLR.

The biggest problem with DWM is that John Joseco has effectively created the "character" of Molestia for that namesake (although he's not the only one who uses it). For some reason he is the one directly being targeted directly for it. Now his Ask tumblr is not a porn blog, it never has been. It's a humor one through sexual innuendo and more importantly its never been pro-rape or even spent a huge time focusing on that SPECIFIC lurid nature. It's satire of a horny Celestia and it's been in operation for 2 years. In fact John Joseco is one of the most well known visual artists in the community. He might be our Seth McFarlane (guilty of poor taste if anything). He's not a rapist or "pro-rape". Plus these are virtual characters that some people are up in arms about. No one I know thinks REAL rape is a laughing matter, the ones with REAL victims not just shocked technicolor ponies. I thought people could tell the difference between real and fake, between truly advocating something evil and making light satire.

So going after John because someone feels that NO jokes on certain topics should ever be made is just taking social justice to a ridiculous extreme. By this same argument Family Guy, South Park, and the Simpsons should be off their air for their controversial humor at offending someone or promoting illegal behavior. We should ban violent video games of what they could inspire people to do. People could target grimdark as "ruining the community" could likewise go after Tarby for Something Broke which would also also 2 years after the fact as well. He knows first hand about censorship and how it is to be told its ok to perform at Bronycon initially and then have that ability yanked away and asked not to perform it as it may offend the people who willingly view it.

Censorship is a real ugly word as people in this age HAVE a right to free speech (especially on the internet) and when people think that their views take precedence over others to silence that it WILL create conflict. Especially when those views may be faulty in the first place. Having musicians stand up and join in this "witch hunt" to target John Joseco just makes me very sad and frankly really upset . Artists targeting other artists. How hypocritical is that? Do musicians not have a vented interest in artistic freedom? Do we not value peace, love, unity, respect anymore?

When i see Circuitfry throw together a song and put in inflammatory and baiting language (first disabling commenting, then limiting it to approval, and then eventually pulling the video) and then change his story about why and who the target is and then pull it after the damage is done I wonder how well thought out people are being. Then Derpy Grooves calls for a petition to BAN John from being able to speak at Bronycon for his third year I really have to question what my fellow moderators are trying to do in leading this call to arms. Do they not understand the problems with their arguments and the conflict they are directly causing? I don't like seeing MLR mods leading the charge on this issue especially if they aren't posting about it on mlr and even gathering whether what they are doing is RIGHT. I've talked to tons of people on MLR who disagree with them.

I think if people really want to TALK this out and LISTEN to each other (even those who support DWM) then it's better then letting these issues blow up, people disliking each other, or letting feelings stew around inside. Cause honestly I am just embarrassed to see people support this campaign. I'd really like to get past that somehow and I'm not sure how except by talking it out like a forum should.
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Re: Down with Molestia and related things (This needs a topi

Postby itroitnyah » 23 Aug 2013 23:08

Viricide Filly wrote:I agree with this entire post. Although, that link still only implies it, although that's the most extreme post I've seen from the blog >.<
orly?

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bleh, the list goes on, you get the idea. There are a lot more extreme posts which are explicit and I cannot link that are from molestia (just go to the bottom of the archive). And, molestia is obviously derived from molest, which is a form of rape.
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Postby Freewave » 23 Aug 2013 23:13

^^ We know what the blog is about, we've read it at some point (most of the mlp community has). If that's the worst thing you've read in your life and you need it to be excised from the internet you haven't been around much. It's not enough to nail him to a cross or set him alight. Why start this campaign 2 years after the fact when John's content has mellowed out?
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Postby Ben » 24 Aug 2013 00:03

Yes this will teach rapist not to mess with us. show em we mean business by taking down a mylittle pony fan blog
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Postby Viricide Filly » 24 Aug 2013 00:06

ONEHOODASSPONY wrote:Yes this will teach rapist not to mess with us. show em we mean business by taking down a mylittle pony fan blog
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Postby itroitnyah » 24 Aug 2013 00:16

Freewave wrote:^^ We know what the blog is about, we've read it at some point (most of the mlp community has). If that's the worst thing you've read in your life and you need it to be excised from the internet you haven't been around much. It's not enough to nail him to a cross or set him alight. Why start this campaign 2 years after the fact when John's content has mellowed out?
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Postby Ben » 24 Aug 2013 00:46

NO RAPE PONY BLOGS BECAUSE RAPE IS BAD and can affect my children , NO DRUG PONY BLOGS because drugs are bad and can affect my children ,NO SEX PONY BLOGS BECAUSE SEX IS BAD and it can affect my children, NO NEGATIVE PONY MUSIC BECAUSE LORD KNOWS WHAT MY KIDS WILL DO AFTER HEARING THAT DREADFUL YELLING AT CATS , AND THAT GODFORSAKEN RAP MUSIC THATS NOTHING BUT SEX, MARES, AND VIOLENCE ,OH LORD THINK OF THE CHILDREN WE MUST REPENT BY GOING TO CHURCH AND Singing Kumbaya My Lord WAITING FOR HIM TO TAKE US AWAY FROM OUR SUFFERING.
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Postby Magnitude Zero » 24 Aug 2013 01:03

topitmunkeydog wrote:I'm requesting this thread stay opened iff (if and only if) people can have a civil and intelligent discussion.

Well there goes that
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Postby ganondox » 24 Aug 2013 03:33

1. There is in fact rape or at least implied rape or threats of rape in APM. Here is an example: http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc2tj ... o1_500.png . However, this type of content was more common during the early run, and overtime the tone of the comment has drastically changed, especially with the introduction of Gamer Luna. In the early comic Celestia frequently admitted to molesting Luna if we didn't outright she her doing it, now she sets on higher grounds.
2. JJ did not create Molestia, she was already memetic before the tumblr was created. http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/141479-t ... t-celestia As far as I can tell the early APM was a parody of the concept, turning the lovable Celestia into her anti-thesis, a sexually abusive tyrant. Overtime her portray has changed so she is now more sympathetic and more of an obnoxious nymphomaniac than a molester. Now most of the acts are consensual, and the non-consual acts are mainly limited to Molestia displaying herself in public.
3. I would not consider APM to be R34 as it's not pornographic, it's blue comedy. The earlier works were sort of a mixture of black comedy with blue comedy, but it's now a mixture of blue comedy and Luna being cute (really weird combination). Some drama also occasionally pops up which portray Celestia less than favorably, but in a sympathetic manner. For example, Celestia believes what she is doing is evil, and she is afraid to face her mother. The comic is really far more cringe worthy than it is arousing, which adds to the humor.

Now, my final verdict is that APM is more or less harmless, at least in it's current form. It's not entirely in good taste, but if you find it offensive it's not really worth pursuing. It has genuine humor and doesn't actually portray molestation as a morally acceptable thing. I don't think it really trivializes rape or sexual abuse, Celestia acts are clearly thought of as being evil and terrifying. Though the Down with Cake thing was in bad taste. Anyway, what I consider to actually be a problem is that Mutton Bash crap, and I think ShadyVox should be kicked out of the Button Mash project for agreeing to create that. It wouldn't be censorship, if ShadyVox wants to continue making that crap he can, but it would show that we think portraying rape in a manner like that is completely unacceptable.

Now, as for DWM, while I'm not an active supporter I will say I'm sympathetic to their cause. There is no way that they are actually going to take APM down (I also heard that at least originally they weren't even trying to do so), so they aren't doing any harm. All their activities are bringing up discussion, and that's the important part. Some people dislike shitstorms, but I think they are important, and when they aren't needlessly turning brother against brother than they are a good thing. Plus the Anti-DWM (not Pro-APM, there is a bit of a difference) people are dickbags (or at least some of them are), and ultimately only further the Anti-DWM cause by either keeping the topic in discussion, or providing evidence for the DWM supporters.

As for how this started and why now, well let's look at the source. Supposedly Pinkiepony is a rape victim and was inspired to start this after her little sister told her that Celestia is the pony that rapes other ponies. That's pretty messed up, but it's probably too late to undo that damage. You can only look forward from now. Despite Pinkiepony actually being oblivious to the actual content of the blog, she didn't even know who Gamer Luna was, people agreed with her, and the whole thing snowballed. Some people say that she was doing this to be an attention whore, but I agree with her when she says she had no idea such a thing would get so big, and she comes across more naive than attention seeking.
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Postby ganondox » 24 Aug 2013 05:34

If anything the comic would be less offensive if it were porn, because than it would just be a BDSM type fetish, not potential trivialization associated with it being humor.

There was one tumblr post that explained what rape culture is through examples from her life, I'll try to see if I can dig it back up. It's not that most people literally think that literal rape is okay, it goes beyond that, and it's not a literal culture, it's an element of culture. For example, the belief that it's impossible to rape a male is part of rape culture. The author of said post even admitted to raping one of her boyfriends because she believed that all men wanted sex as the bottomline. Just go to a random image on See More on Facebook and you will see huge evidence of rape culture. The fact is if you ask the right questions you will be surprised at how many people think raping someone is okay if it's presented a certain way.
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Postby ganondox » 24 Aug 2013 06:14

From what I've read in the 3rd world it's viewed as more of the whole country being rape culture, while only segments in the western world, or something. I'm not really sure. There is certainly a big difference between woman's rights in the 3rd world and in the 1st world, but that doesn't mean that it's not at all relevant in the 1st world. That's like snubbing a homeless man because there are people starving in Africa. Anyway, the idea that it's not rape if they "liked it" is completely part of rape culture.

It took me awhile, but I finally found it: http://jaunty-cavalcades.tumblr.com/pos ... account-of Her experience sounds a little extreme, but there is still relevance on a wider scale.
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Postby Freewave » 24 Aug 2013 07:19

Japan is a first world country but if you look at what little they censor (little black bars) and what they don't i think most ordinary people would be shocked. I do think "rape culture" is ingrained in a lot of their hentai as lot of it is forced upon. Feminism i still an alien concept. But again do you criminalize artwork due to content? There's broader issues there indeed that DWM has correctly touched upon but when you look at that and JJ's Ask blog i dont see them anywhere on the same level. The fact that Molestia is a female character is one of the unusual elements in the mix, but she's still one with power which is one of its points.
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Postby Acsii » 24 Aug 2013 07:25

after reading through this thread I've come to a conclusion that a lot of you don't understand the damaging effects something like rape has on someone... I'll leave it at that...
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Postby ganondox » 24 Aug 2013 07:48

Acsii wrote:after reading through this thread I've come to a conclusion that a lot of you don't understand the damaging effects something like rape has on someone... I'll leave it at that...


Instead of just claiming the other party is insensitive and ignorant could you care to elaborate? The last thing we need is more demonizing of people.
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