Round III Challenge Discussion

Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Spirit » 03 Jul 2011 05:15

i was gonna say somthing along the lines of finding a free VST and asking people to compose something using that. then i realised that would be pretty damn hard to regulate and anyone using Reason couldn't participate. but maybe a "genre" challenge.
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Interrobang Pie » 03 Jul 2011 05:39

I wouldn't mind something like a genre entry. I'd be out of my comfort zone for a time signature dickery, but then it's a challenge! Hahah.

A samples from the show one would be good too, although it'd basically be an audio-only YTPMV.
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Pinkie Cake » 03 Jul 2011 06:20

How about: there would be some (~5-10) samples that everypony must use in their songs.
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Dr_Dissonance » 03 Jul 2011 07:56

I like the time signature idea, because that's within my comfort zone...:P
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby NightColt » 03 Jul 2011 08:35

Only sampling the show would throw me out of my comfort zone like hell - mostly because I don't know a darn thing about sampling. On the other hand, it would force me to go and learn something new for a change.
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Supersaw Hoover » 03 Jul 2011 08:42

Using only samples from the show would be really fun. I'd love to hear some really cool experimentation with what to use for percussion and synths and stuff (besides Fluttershy).
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby ArtAttack » 03 Jul 2011 10:45

Honestly, I've liked every idea put out so far. If I had to vote, I'd say time signatures, because I've wanted to try that for a while.
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby General Mumble » 03 Jul 2011 10:53

ArtAttack wrote:Honestly, I've liked every idea put out so far. If I had to vote, I'd say time signatures, because I've wanted to try that for a while.


Yeah, I was torn between this and show-only samples, and I'm starting to lean towards this now.

I have a lingering worry, however, that people who aren't so music will just think the songs are broken.
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby PinkiePieSwear » 03 Jul 2011 10:57

General Mumble wrote:I have a lingering worry, however, that people who aren't so music will just think the songs are broken.


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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Dr_Dissonance » 03 Jul 2011 10:59

General Mumble wrote:Yeah, I was torn between this and show-only samples, and I'm starting to lean towards this now.
I have a lingering worry, however, that people who aren't so music will just think the songs are broken.


I know plenty of pieces that have dodgy time signatures, yet sound perfectly fine. It's all in the execution! Although, a more detailed idea into what 'dodgy' or 'weird' time signatures actually means to people would be good...
If we're talking 7/4, 13/8, etc, then that's pretty easy to execute well!
If we're talking 25/16, e/pi, etc, then that might be a tad more difficult...
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Interrobang Pie » 03 Jul 2011 11:06

Dr_Dissonance wrote:e/pi

More like pi/e. Then we can have interrobang pi/e signature!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Also I have found a cool trick and would be willing to mess around in 5/4 and 3/4 and -b (+-) sqrt(b^2 - 4ac)/2a time signature.
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Whitetail » 03 Jul 2011 12:05

Another idea that someone proposed in the livestream:
Collabs

Force people to work together, interestingly enough you could have a total of 3 artists in a song: the original artist of the song and the 2 remixers. That's like pony^3 or something.


And yet another idea:
Double remixes

Basically you're not just remixing one piece, but you have to remix two pieces together into one remix, seems like it could create for some interesting results.
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Overkillius » 03 Jul 2011 12:07

I've tried doing stuff with odd time signatures (5/8 7/8 etc.) and time signature changes and how it fits into my compositions. I Still don't have it quite figured out yet. I really need to dedicate a time at least once every week to experiment... seriously all I do it seems right now is compose with guidelines. (which is sort of experimentation in itself depending on how you change the guidelines from piece to piece) It is a challenge discussion though and I'd like this challenge.

(for the record: 9/8 and 12/8 aren't weird time signatures.)

If we sample though I'll really have a challenge because I'll have to learn software as well... because nothing I do right now deals with any kind of sampling.
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Interrobang Pie » 03 Jul 2011 12:08

Derpy Hooves wrote:Force people to work together, interestingly enough you could have a total of 3 artists in a song: the original artist of the song and the 2 remixers. That's like pony^3 or something.

This seems alright, but if there is an odd number of people taking part...
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Whitetail » 03 Jul 2011 12:15

Dr_Dissonance wrote:
General Mumble wrote:Yeah, I was torn between this and show-only samples, and I'm starting to lean towards this now.
I have a lingering worry, however, that people who aren't so music will just think the songs are broken.


I know plenty of pieces that have dodgy time signatures, yet sound perfectly fine. It's all in the execution! Although, a more detailed idea into what 'dodgy' or 'weird' time signatures actually means to people would be good...
If we're talking 7/4, 13/8, etc, then that's pretty easy to execute well!
If we're talking 25/16, e/pi, etc, then that might be a tad more difficult...


If you want to get really creative mix weird time signatures with constant time signature changes, best example I know has to be this track from Tool featuring the Fibbonacci sequence:



1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13

Try to find the correlation
(I forget if the 13 is in there or not)

Btw, it's not just the time signature in the song that follows a pattern
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Makkon » 03 Jul 2011 14:16

Not to be a killjoy, but I'm not a fan of the unusual time signatures. I fail on every technical level because I don't have any musical training other than some piano lessons when I was a kid. I can't even read music :[ It's just why I'm a big fan of the 'theme' category, I like to tell a story with my music; sound choice is very important to me. And it's something that I can do....
Of course if that's what everyone wants, we'll make it the challenge track without question.

I do, however, LOVE the collab idea or double remixes!
Maybe doing a genre that is completely the opposite of your usual. I could try some trance or techno?
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Whitetail » 03 Jul 2011 14:17

What if you have no usual genre?

Thing is, with the challenge round the idea is to get people out of their comfort zone, so I'm thinking it should be a more sink or swim thing
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Makkon » 03 Jul 2011 14:23

I completely agree, but you don't want to push too far or people won't even want to participate in the challenge track. The real purpose of the challenge track is to write something that is not a remix but still pony related. All in all, we want people to produce more music for the community; that was NC's original design.

Regardless, guys, we will do what you want to do. It's your call.
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby sci » 03 Jul 2011 16:37

the collab challenge sounds like the best.
I've been thinking of organizing something like that for my Pony Music Compo...

actually, general complaint: the challenge round is sniping all of my theme ideas for Pony Music Compo!
not sure if that's 'bad' per se, but. ;p
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Dr_Dissonance » 03 Jul 2011 19:53

Overkillius wrote:I've tried doing stuff with odd time signatures (5/8 7/8 etc.) and time signature changes and how it fits into my compositions. I Still don't have it quite figured out yet. I really need to dedicate a time at least once every week to experiment...


Weird time signatures can be tamed by dividing them into smaller parts, so if you're a fan of 7/8, that could be 3+2+2/8 or 2+3+2/8, or 3+3+1/8! They all work fine, just need to organise it!


I like the idea of collabs, although different artistic visions may squander a few people when cooperating...still, it would be interesting to see!
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Overkillius » 03 Jul 2011 20:39

Dr_Dissonance wrote:Weird time signatures can be tamed by dividing them into smaller parts, so if you're a fan of 7/8, that could be 3+2+2/8 or 2+3+2/8, or 3+3+1/8! They all work fine, just need to organise it!


I actually found that out about a year ago... when trying to learn how the hell I was supposed to sing a song like "Wonder" (by Mack Wilberg)

I honestly have just never tried getting it to work in a composition.

Taking a break from composing... can anyone believe I haven't heard the whole planets suite from Holst? I know, how could I be so ignorant?!

New challenge Idea
Make an hour long suite made up of seven songs about the planets... err... I mean... the mane cast + celetia
SCRATCH THAT: too much work

ON TOPIC
I like the collab idea and the time signature idea. But what exactly would consist of a collab? two ponies making their own halves of a song?
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Whitetail » 03 Jul 2011 20:42

Collaboration can work a lot of ways, be creative and figure it out yourself

Personally that's how I feel the best sort of challenge round would work, it really challenges the competitors to figure something out that they could possibly use in the future. Sort of like self discovery so to speak, if anything probing the recesses of your musical development.
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Circuitfry » 03 Jul 2011 21:04

Time signatures, lyrics, and sample-ripping are both way too easy for a person who has no idea what he's doing (me), I just screw around until I have something that works lol

The collabs idea got the most votes on the synchtube. I personally think it would be fun, as well. Dr. Dissonance has a point about the vision squandering though. I'm not even sure [s]if not sure if want[/s] if we're ready to take on groups (I *think* we are...), but whatever happens here, I'm cool with it.

JackleApp said something about palindromatic songs. inb4crazybus (alright I'm just using too many memes now, sorry)

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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby sci » 03 Jul 2011 21:17

Derpy Hooves wrote:what derpy said

the more I think about it, the more that collaboration makes sense...

the entire point of this entire remix war is to get the community (people) to focus on the community ([pony] music).

with a collab as the bonus round, you would have the community (people) working with the community (people).

It just...makes sense.

(well, except for my less-than-great articulation of thoughts here...do you see what I'm trying to say?)
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Re: Round III Challenge Discussion

Postby Makkon » 03 Jul 2011 21:45

Collab has my vote. If we go for a collab, the event ought to be a week longer than round 2. That way we don't all end up hating eachother by the end of this (matching schedules, vision, and making a compromise on style).

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