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Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby Mr. Bigglesworth » 16 May 2013 19:02

Pretty obvious, do you sample or create your own drums?

I'm partial to sampling myself, a lot of my snares come from really old drum breaks or free packs.
I'm not above using vengeance for kicks (the 3 kicks that I deemed 'useful' from VEC4), but the snares are really pesky for layering.

As a result most of my kicks are from the Mhak Kicks pack.

But as a general thing I prefer my old drum break samples coupled with a ton of free packs.
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby Nine Volt » 16 May 2013 19:16

Sampling, definitely. Not just using samples like Vengeance, but also sometimes I sample from songs like deadmau5's stuff. Not often though, I tend to feel better about using layered ones, but they're good if I'm too lazy to make the drums for now (I replace them with mine later).
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby Captain Ironhelm » 16 May 2013 19:58

samples.

unless for some reason I want the older electronic drum sound, in which case I use a drum-machine.

and if I do make a drum patch in a synth, it's outside of the song creation session. I don't like having anything slowing me down when I'm producing a track.
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby the4thImpulse » 16 May 2013 20:48

I use samples, I haven't bothered much to try sampling parts from other songs. I've always liked the idea of sampling from vinyl with some sort of MPC hardware.

I have made a sample pack as part of a project in my audio engineering classes, I recorded a full kit as well as shakers and random percussive instruments. (I will not be giving it away either)

I would love to have an old drum machine to program drums (or to even sample into a DAW). It'd be cool to see Roland re-release their 808 machine in a similar fashion to the re-release of the Korg MS-20.
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby Motivfs » 16 May 2013 21:36

Samples, preferably I layer my drums, A LOT of layering, I take the parts of the drums I like, whether it be the attack, the acoustic feel, the punch, etc.
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby vladnuke » 17 May 2013 00:53

I use a mixture of both. Samples provide the base and are nice at eating frequency space, but I then layer in kicks I make in Massive (everything in my songs have massive, even the drums, because it is a very versatile synth and can be used for literally anything ever) to beef them up for that nice thumpy kick. Same with snares and hats, except I just layer in enveloped white noise/metallic noise with a little bit of reverb for the room filling-ness.

Past kicks and snares, it's a lot of digging through lots of samples for the right drums. I tried recording some myself, but they weren't very good.
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby hackd » 17 May 2013 07:24

For my harder kicks I tend to be 50/50. If I don't build my synth kicks from scratch I just overdrive 909 samples.

I've been meaning to get around to doing more research on making snares from tone generators since I haven't had a whole lot of luck finding strong metallic industrial crossbreed like snares.
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby XXDarkShadow79XX » 17 May 2013 11:17

All samples baby. Never synthesized a snare in my life. :P
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby Ocular » 17 May 2013 11:49

I like both. Sometimes I'll use pre-made samples, sometimes I'll sample from my drum set, sometimes I'll make drums in a synth.
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby HMage » 17 May 2013 12:10

Both.

After discovering microtronic, I can't go back :>

Also, don't forget the legalities -- sampling someone else's track, even if its a drum, will need you to obtain permission from author or copyright holder before you put it on bandcamp or perform it publicly.

Sample libraries (Vengeance, xfer, etc) need to be legit as well before you sell your music that's using them.

That, for me, is a major reason why I synthesize my EDM drums.
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby Nine Volt » 17 May 2013 13:05

Yes, because people can inherently tell when you've actually bought a Vengeance pack.
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby HMage » 17 May 2013 18:04

Vengeance can. Not in clients list? Didn't buy then.
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby Mr. Bigglesworth » 17 May 2013 22:30

Well I'm currently experimenting with drum synthesis
(I know very little about it pls halp)
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby Captain Ironhelm » 18 May 2013 02:06

Mr. Bigglesworth wrote:Well I'm currently experimenting with drum synthesis
(I know very little about it pls halp)


http://www.attackmagazine.com/technique/walkthroughs/drum-synthesis-in-logic-es2/1/

Assuming you are familiar with how synths work, follow the instructions in your own synthesizer, and it should point you in the right direction.
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby Mr. Bigglesworth » 18 May 2013 04:04

I'll go fiddle about with some of those things.

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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby Mr. Bigglesworth » 18 May 2013 04:32

well I've got hi hats down.
Kicks and snares are still tricky though.
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby colortwelve » 18 May 2013 14:21

My kicks are about half and half - I synthesized a really low kick in Massive which I use as a base, then layer heavily EQ'd samples from various sources, sometimes Vengeance, sometimes Xfer, sometimes taken straight from songs. Snares are fully sampled, and the sources tend to be the same, but I also occasionally layer hits sliced out of drumloops to beef up the snares, and loops provide basically all of my extra percussion (i.e. shakers and hats and stuff). But stuff tends to be layered and heavily EQ'd, so in a sense I guess that's also synthesis :P
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby JSynth » 20 May 2013 15:09

I sample. I don't know anything about making my own drums at this point. Plus, I have a big library that came with Battery 4. (Which is a fantastic drum machine.)
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby KillerAmp » 20 May 2013 16:14

sometimes i use samples
but that depends on teh genre, for dubstep im going to either build from scratch (make a 909-esque snare, layer, distort, post process some more, make snappy, ect.) or layer a bunch of samples
for house im using 808 kicks distorted and stuff, with some layred samples on it, compressed and such
i guess it just depends on how im feeling lol
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby Mr. Bigglesworth » 21 May 2013 21:27

I can never make thick Dubsteppy snares from 808's.

I usually just layer my other samples.

I'm a fan of Rock and Metal snares.
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby ExoBassTix » 22 May 2013 08:44

Mainly sampling, and tweaking ahead, naturally.
I got so many packs. And I find that I use Vengeance packs quite a lot.

Sure, making my own drums sounds cool and pro, but I try to stay as cool as possible without abusing what little time I usually have to work on my music.
And tweaking my drums is enough to make it sound pro.

... I play too much with sub kicks, distortion and blood overdrive :3
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Re: Which do you prefer - sampling or making your own drums?

Postby TranquilHooves » 22 May 2013 19:23

HMage wrote:Both.

After discovering microtronic, I can't go back :>

Also, don't forget the legalities -- sampling someone else's track, even if its a drum, will need you to obtain permission from author or copyright holder before you put it on bandcamp or perform it publicly.

Sample libraries (Vengeance, xfer, etc) need to be legit as well before you sell your music that's using them.

That, for me, is a major reason why I synthesize my EDM drums.


Not to promote piracy or anything, (pls dont ban) but if you distorted/layered the original sample so far beyond what it used to sound like, how could the people down at reFX or whatever tell that you used their samples in the first place?
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